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House K Guild Hireling Vendors[edit]

Hi Faltout. I have been meandering around and filling in NPC pages, and have wandered into House K. I see you are working on Hireling vendor and wanted to know if it is OK for me to use the NPC template to add those into your page? meander (ContribsMessage) 11:16, July 4, 2018 (EDT)

parameters that don't exist[edit]

Stop adding parameters that don't exist to live pages.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 13:09, July 20, 2018 (EDT)

  • Is there a better place to add this information? Faltout (Contribs⇑ top ⇑) 13:12, July 20, 2018 (EDT)
    • |misc= comes to mind. Alternatively, you could create the parameters in the appropriate sandbox(es) with testcase(s) and request the changes be made by an admin once everything is properly tested and verified and there has been an appropriate discussion on the topic. Yes, this may take awhile, but it's not been an issue for the last decade and it won't hurt anything if it takes a few months to implement.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 13:33, July 20, 2018 (EDT)
      • Well, changing how a protected template works without being an admin hasn't worked for a loooooong time, so |misc= it is. I'll create a subpage and transclude it. Faltout (Contribs⇑ top ⇑) 13:54, July 20, 2018 (EDT)

Personal attacks[edit]

Please do not attack other editors, as you did in your edit at Re-order of "Sells"?. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 08:22, October 19, 2018 (EDT)

  • Hi, the link you provided was definitely not an attack as it comments on "content" and not on contributors. It is perhaps a coincidence that your edits on the main templates are the ones that break the wiki or the ones I have an issue with. Or perhaps it is because you are one the only one making chances to how the templates work. In any case, your edits are leaving broken pages behind and mentioning that they are "your" edits and not someone's edits is a convenient grouping of edits. Faltout (Contribs⇑ top ⇑) 20:26, October 19, 2018 (EDT)

Challenges ~are~ Free to Play[edit]

Hey - noticed that back in May you took it upon yourself to change all challenge pages from "Yes" to "No" re Free-to-Play status. Challenges are not barred from F2P accounts, as any can be played via Daily Tokens, so are not (technically) Pay-to-Play. They arguably fall into a bit of a middle ground, I'll admit, but if a F2P player can play them, then they are F2P, even if they are not "unlimited access" as VIP's enjoy. As is, it's inaccurate and a disservice to F2P players to imply otherwise. Would you mind going back and reverting those, so no one else has to? (I fixed one before realizing the other 2 dozen were now also all wrong.) Thanks. C-Hound (ContribsMessage) 20:54, November 17, 2018 (EST)

  • In the same manner, the whole game would be classified as free-to-play because you can purchase it with favor-earned DDO Points. Wherever you look in the wiki, when challenges are mentioned, there is a note saying "You can play challenges with free tokens". This note is in each challenge page and in each patron page. If a free player hasn't collected tokens, they can't play the challenges. Classifying the challenges as "free" misinforms the free players of their limitations. Faltout (Contribs⇑ top ⇑) 07:15, November 18, 2018 (EST)
    • We recently had this discussion with a guildmate who wanted to run a weekly challenge party with us, but we needed to be clear that he needed to log in every day of the week to get enough tokens built up. It would be misleading to claim in the wiki that one can just walk-up and run them. meander (ContribsMessage) 09:50, November 18, 2018 (EST)

Challenges are F2P via challenge tokens. Challenge token system in entirely contained within the game, unlike DDO Points where you need to open a browser based window to spend the points in a store. If you don't have to go to the DDP store to play the content, it's free to play.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 11:26, November 18, 2018 (EST)

  • I see what you mean. That explains a good boundary line between what is/isn't free to play, easily interpreted. I can still see misunderstandings (walk-up and go) happening (unavoidable), but this definition is at least clear. Free To Play deserves this explanation. meander (ContribsMessage) 12:30, November 18, 2018 (EST)
    • This is a totally arbitrary definition of free-to-play and also totally unnecessary. The "Free-to-play" tag is meant to tell a wiki reader that they can access this content without restrictions. As I said above, the challenges cannot be accessed without first spending some time to collect tokens, while someone that owns the content has unlimited access. Thus the challenges need to show that they do not offer unrestricted access. Faltout (Contribs⇑ top ⇑) 12:59, November 18, 2018 (EST)
      • By your definition, nothing is free to play because no quest that isn't part of an adventure pack can be accessed without first spending some time to collect the quest from the quest giver. Challenges do offer unrestricted access, you just need to pick up the "flagging" requirement of collecting a token. If you do it as part of your daily play routine (there are multiple challenge token givers), you never have to wait to get more tokens to play again. The line for free to play is content you don't have to go to the DDO Store for. Feel free to add that to any page that needs it, I had thought it was already in all the needed places.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 14:09, November 19, 2018 (EST)
        • That's certainly a nice strawman argument you have there. Except premium players also have to spend some time to collect the quest from the quest giver. Thus, this is not a limiting factor that can be mitigated by paying money. Faltout (Contribs⇑ top ⇑) 15:29, November 19, 2018 (EST)

DDO:AN/POI[edit]

If you complete a task listed on DDO wiki:Administrators' noticeboard/PoI, please remove it from the list. Thanks. DDOstream (ContribsMessage) 11:05, December 5, 2018 (EST)

  • The POI wasn't mine to remove (I believe it said "ShoeMaker") and I am not required to know which pages are part of projects listed in the Administrator's Noticeboard or any other project list in some user page and maintain those lists. If the original poster does not maintain the lists or there are no dedicated users to track and maintain the lists, then the lists are pretty much useless and can be safely ignored. Faltout (Contribs⇑ top ⇑) 11:15, December 5, 2018 (EST)
    • So you worked on a WiP/project with someone else's name on it without getting approval from the person first or completing the project fully? Hmm. I don't think that is acceptable and is cause for a topic ban on templates. Please don't edit any more templates until a consensus can be reached saying it is okay for you to do so again, or you'll be blocked from the wiki until we can find a consensus on it. Thanks. DDOstream (ContribsMessage) 11:58, December 5, 2018 (EST)
      • No, I saw a discussion about the template started by an IP and Coyopa (Contribs • Message) and I saw a vote. I saw that all this was 1 year+ ago (which meant abandoned by anyone that meant to make the changes) and I made the changes that had the most votes. This wasn't a project with anyone's name on it so I didn't need approval to work on it. Even if it was a project with someone's name on it, I would still be able to make changes to it and discuss later if there was an objection since there is no policy or guideline that prevents editing other's projects.
        I find your reactions and attitude inappropriate given that there are no policies or guidelines to back most of your claims, you seem to make rules on the fly, you can't seem to understand things that other people say and you nitpick words out of posts or alter them to suit you (like for example what I said above). The wiki is not yours to rule and you certainly seem to break templates more often than any other template editor (and then failing to admit the mistakes even when shown examples; you fix the single example and pretend there aren't any others). Faltout (Contribs⇑ top ⇑) 16:14, December 5, 2018 (EST)
        • Talking in circles much? Here... Let me quote you back to yourself, "The POI wasn't mine to remove (I believe it said "ShoeMaker")". Also, where is there anything that says anything 1+ years ago is abandoned? I don't remember seeing that on wiki at all. If you point me at things broken, I'm happy to fix them. I can't fix issues when I don't know they exist. Don't assume anything is abandoned unless none of the contributors to the project have been active for a substantial amount of time. Ask first or don't edit it.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 01:31, December 6, 2018 (EST)