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Talk:Different quests that share favor

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Currently, I've been working on a DPL table to list quests from various categories as indicated here (Template talk:QTL) and I've come across a problem: There are several quests (namely Return to Cabal for One or Old Tomb, New Tenants) that share favor with their heroic counterparts (A Cabal for One, Old Grey Garl), but are not the same quests and deserve their own page. However, in the game compendium, they show as one quest (the heroic one) and they count the favor once.

My question is: Do you think patron pages like Agents of Argonnessen should list both quest versions or not? (currently they don't) Additionally, how do you propose we differentiate those quests from the other quests so that a DPL statement will not count favor twice? My thoughts on that would be for the epic counterparts to be in a new category or have a new template parameter indicating they don't have their own favor. Faltout (ContribsMessage) 12:14, April 1, 2018 (EDT)

  • Can we use text instead of number in the epic variant of the quest? Would it help? Or some popup.-- Cru121 (ContribsMessage) 23:48, April 1, 2018 (EDT)
    • Text in place of favor? That wouldn't be fair for the epic quest which still gives the favor if you only do that and not the heroic counterpart. Some popup would work for DPL (I can make my templates identify the popup), but it wouldn't work for {{Quest}} categorization. Those quests would end up in some category called [[Category:Quests with 6 {{Popup|....}} favor reward]]. Faltout (ContribsMessage) 06:16, April 2, 2018 (EDT)

I think I found a solution for DPL sums to count favor only once. Adding a parameter to each quest that shares favor with the name of the other quest page allows an elegant solution. One question remains: How should quest tables list heroic and epic versions of the same quest? (see Three-Barrel Cove)

  • Version 1: The heroic and epic version of the quest will have their own table rows but with notes under the name and favor. This is very easy to achieve. Notice however that while the favor total will be correct, the quest total shows 5 quests. I can correct that to 3 with not much effort.
Quest Name Quest Level Total Favor Patron
A Legend Revisited
(heroic: Legend of Two-Toed Tobias)
25 12
(shared)
The Free Agents
Guard Duty 5 9 The Free Agents
Legend of Two-Toed Tobias
(epic: A Legend Revisited)
5 12
(shared)
The Free Agents
Old Grey Garl
(epic: Old Tomb, New Tenants)
7 15
(shared)
The Free Agents
Old Tomb, New Tenants
(heroic: Old Grey Garl)
25 15
(shared)
The Free Agents
Total: 5
Quests
36
Favor
  • Version 2: The heroic and epic version will show in the same row. This is very difficult to achieve (as far as I know) because it will require another nested DPL call (or more) to get the epic quest information as well as the need to hide the epic quest from the result set. Another reason for its complexity is that it is not desired in all tables. For example, when listing Level 25 quests, you don't want a level 5 quest popping up.
Quest Name Quest Level Total Favor Patron
Guard Duty 5 9 The Free Agents
Legend of Two-Toed Tobias /
A Legend Revisited
5 / 25 12 The Free Agents
Old Grey Garl /
Old Tomb, New Tenants
7 / 25 15 The Free Agents
Total: 3
Quests
36
Favor

Fonts and format are obviously not set in stone. If there is a nice way to show the shared favor (or not show it at all) and use the 1st version (the easy one), I'm all for it.

12
(shared)


Faltout (ContribsMessage) 19:02, April 12, 2018 (EDT)