User talk:Dedridd/Archive01

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Is there a repository somewhere that all the templates get stored in? I'd like to know where I can go to look at some more examples once I get into this. Dedridd 14:07, January 31, 2006 (PST)

Try Special:Allpages, then select the Template: namespace and hit go. (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.) 15:08, January 31, 2006 (PST)

Spell Entries

I see you edited brd 1 to go to the category for bard spells. I was thinking of leaving that and essentially duplicate the bard spells page four times, but with only the relevant level present for easier comparison. Any thoughts on the matter? Ie would you prefer a spell with level: Brd 1 or a spell with level: brd 1 I have filled in the brd 1 for an example of what I thought. -- koolkat 14:51, February 8, 2006 (PST)

I was just going through updating the links to the V,S,M components, and saw that those spell links were undefined. I thought hooking them up to the complete spell lists was better than nothing, and served the people following those links in two ways: one, if they wanted to see the list of other similar level spells, or two if they were looking for a specific spell, but didn't know what level it was. Showing just the list of 1st level Bard spells, for instance, only serves the first purpose. What would be nifty is if there was a way to make anchors to each section, such that if they follow a Bard 4 link, it would take them to the list of all Bard spells, but scrolls them down to the level 4 section. Is this possible? I think this would fit both of our desires. Regardless of which way, I have a question: would it be possible to use Bard 1 instead of Brd 1? I don't think we should assume everyone knows the abbreviations, even though I know they come from the 3.5 handbooks. I left them in the abbreviated form because I didn't know the reasons behind using them for sure. Dedridd 17:52, February 8, 2006 (PST)

Yeah I dont know how to have it go to an anchor. I am crossposting these spells as I make then on the DnDwiki and I am setting them up as I said there. You are more than welcome to change them if you wish but they cut and paste from the stanrard reference document as the abbreviations. If you find out how to make something go to an anchor please tell me because then I can just redirect brd 2 to the anchor on the bard spell list once I am done. -- koolkat 06:51, February 9, 2006 (PST)

Ok, good to know about the abbreviations, koolkat. I totally understand about copy/pasting. I don't blame you for that at all. :) Hop in here, Peerless. I know there has to be a way to link to a specific spot (anchor?) on a page. Enlighten us, please! :D Dedridd 07:33, February 9, 2006 (PST)

I am strongly against duplication unless really needed, especially at earlier stages where a lot of things can still change. For anchors, I think you can use #Section_title to go to a specific section. Ex: Bard_spells#Level_2. Tihocan 08:50, February 9, 2006 (PST)

Perfect on the syntax for going to a specific section on a page. I had time to get it to work for one spell so far - see the Cause fear page. Thanks for the tip, Tihocan! Dedridd 09:57, February 9, 2006 (PST)

But it's going to take you a lot of work to edit all spells. What would be best is to have a redirect with an anchor, however I tried it a bit earlier and it does not work. I'm going to leave a not to Xevo to see if it can be done. -- Tihocan 10:03, February 9, 2006 (PST)

Ok, thanks for contacting him, I appreciate that. However, we're probably still going to have to revisit each spell page to templatize it using koolcat's spell template, as well as supplying spell point costs and cooldown times. Unless there's a way to do substitution that I don't know about, and in the spell template we can translate Brd 1 to either [[Bard_spells#Level_1]] or the redirect. Boy, wouldn't that be nifty! Dedridd 10:12, February 9, 2006 (PST)

Personal Sandbox

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Bah. I'm still getting burned by not being able to do optional parameters nor default parameter values in a template. That means to add DDO-specific data to each of the spells (ex, Spell Point Cost), I can't just add a parameter to the template or it'll show up in an ugly way (like 'second' in the example above). I'll have to create a new template and edit each spell page to point to the new template instead of the old one. Bleh... Dedridd 07:33, February 9, 2006 (PST)

I dont know how to do optional parameters either, but I added spell point cost to the template here so all people need to do is add |sp=10 to the template and it should work (for first level spells). That seems easy enough for me, once I get all the spells in. Am I correct in assuming that the point cost of a spell is 10*spell level? -- koolkat 08:02, February 9, 2006 (PST)

It's slightly different than that. According to the spell points page, it's 10 for 1st level, then add 5 points for each additional level above that. That was news to me - I thought they were all different (dunno why, that would be very un-DnD'ish). Dedridd 08:07, February 9, 2006 (PST)

great so 10 15 20 25 30 for 1st through 5th levels. I also found out that the items in the template dont need to be in order so a |sp=10|cd=4 seconds could be pasted into all the appropriate spells. I dont remember any spells that had a cooldown as a cleric, but I really only cast bless clw divine favor. -- koolkat 08:13, February 9, 2006 (PST)

Maybe that's a diff between bard and cleric, even though they have the same spells there's no cooldown for the cleric? I know for a fact Otto's had one for the bard last night. I'll try to check in game tonight for both of them and see what all the 1st level spells look like. Dedridd 08:16, February 9, 2006 (PST)

No there is cooldown for cleric (e.g. summon monster has a long cooldown) -- Tihocan 09:48, February 9, 2006 (PST)