Talk:Quests by Adventure Pack (sorted by level range)

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Turned into a redirect instead of flat out deletion.
👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message • Email) 👟 11:59, November 21, 2019 (EST)

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See suggestions under Talk:Quests by Adventure Pack and Talk:List of quests by story arc. Hoopy Frood (Contributions • Message) 11:59, July 26, 2015 (EDT)

I would like to argue for keeping this page. It is formatted in a manner that makes developing a quest plan for a static group easier without additional clicking to new pages. I actually tried editing it to add quests missing from the page but apparently am too much of a noob to get it to save, and then the redesign and new pages mentioned above were added. Nice pages but this page has advantage of showing quests group by pack and level without tunneling down to see individual quests. Gesh (Contribs • Message • Email) - 21:50, October 5, 2019
- Could you please elaborate more on how you use this page? From what I understand, your static party is at some level (let's say 10) and you want to know which adventure pack to run. So, you scroll down this page and find an adventure pack that has quests near level 10? Wouldn't that be easier to do from the page Adventure Packs that lists all the adventure packs and their quest levels? And say you've found the adventure packs at level 10 (free, sorrowdusk, threnal, VoN, restless isles, sands); how do you decide which quests to run after that? Do you just run the level 10 quests? If so, the page Level 10 quests would provide much more info. Do you decide on an adventure pack and run all the quests from it? If so, you would go to the adventure pack page (for example The Restless Isles) and run all the quests listed there. I don't see how using this page helps you more than the pages I linked above. Am I missing something? ⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message • Email) 07:21, October 6, 2019 (EDT)
Just because you don't feel the page is useful or just because you don't even use the page is NOT a reason to delete it. https://ddowiki.com/page/DDO_wiki:Deletion_policy In fact, there are few reasons to delete pages that are valid. This page contains much more information than any of the other pages you reference. This page probably took a month or more to build based on how long it has taken me to add the couple packs I did to it. I don't think anyone uses this page to see which "adventure pack to run because you are at a certain level." That is silly--there are other pages to look for quests at a certain level. This page lists different packs and how much favor/XP you get from each quest within the pack and the entire pack. This page is not only valuable for finding out quickly which pack you want to buy next but it also helps you find which quest goes with which pack, and it even helps you figure out which quest or quest chain you want to run if you need 200 more favor to get your 5000 favor reward (the reason I am here now). The page you want to merge this into does not (1) have anywhere near this amount of detailed information on it and (2) has unnecessary information that is not needed when you want this information in neat tables. If someone says they don't want it deleted because it is easy to use-- that should be enough, but now I have hopefully given you plenty of other reasons to leave it alone. To make matters worse, the story arc page needs a lot of work to be useful in its own right. That page should only have the overall story arcs and all the packs that are involved in that story arc (not necessarily all the quests though). That way, if someone is seeking to buy quests based on story arc, they can use that page. Why don't you work on fixing that one instead of merging this one into that one and not only ruining this page by doing that, but also further wrecking that page.⇒ Blacjak (Contribs • Message • Email) 01:01, November 21, 2019 (EST)
- Hi. First of all, it's unclear to whom you are responding. Moving past that. There are several reasons I don't use and can't use this page:
  1. It doesn't have a Table of Contents so one can quickly navigate this huge page. Even if it did, the TOC would contain a list of Adventure Packs that when clicked on, would send you to a list of quests of that adventure pack. This is the exact same functionality as Adventure Packs. You see the list of packs (with more information than a TOC can provide), you click on one of them and end up with a list of quests for that pack.
  2. It is always outdated because of xp changes and quest additions. The wiki is small and when a new quest is added, there are not a lot of editors to take care of all the pages that need updating. That is why I use DPL to create useful tables (which updates the tables automatically when new quests are added) and try to have the necessary data entered once in the most relevant page and then have all other pages draw from that one source. Some examples of the page being outdated are: Legendary Hound of Xoriat doesn't exist in the page, neither do the other Legendary raids released in that update. Since the last page update on July, none of the new packs are in there. Several old quests have had their xp revamped some months ago. There was no xp revamping in this page.
  3. It doesn't offer me any useful information that I can't get out of other pages much more easily.

So now let's get to you. You say that this page lists how much favor/XP you get from each quest within the pack and the entire pack. I agree that the page Adventure Packs should offer this information (helping you to decide which pack to buy next) and yet it doesn't. I've tried to make adventure packs update automatically with DPL but due to the Quest template being locked and the administration refusing to update the template according to my suggestions, I haven't been able to do that. However, having information like "How many quests are in an adventure pack" and "What is the total xp an adventure pack offers" is easily achievable in that page once (if ever) we get quests categorized by adventure packs. I would suggest not deleting this page until then. Your next point is that the alternative pages don't have that much detailed information. But they do: This page has "adventure pack, name, level, favor, patron, xp" and Quests by level and XP has "name, level, xp, pack, patron, favor". Exactly the same info. If you sort Quests by level and XP by adventure pack and then by level, you will get the quests sorted by level and subsorted by packs. Which allows you to view adventure packs by level, just like this page does.

The reason for deleting this page would only be to not have yet another page in the wiki that is severely outdated. If you want to keep using that page, that's fine. Just don't expect the active editors to bother updating it since there are better pages to view that are updated automatically. ⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message • Email) 07:47, November 21, 2019 (EST)

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