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Where are you from?

Lets get a community going here, people! Where are you from? Just keep replies on the same indent for stuff like this, as you're all technically replying to me (-: (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.)

Anchorage, Alaska - da shizz, bayyy-beeee! (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.)

New stuff

Ok, I've had about half these features live on my local wiki for a while, been trying to get them all ready before presentation. The last hangup has been the verification system - it works fine locally, but I can't make it integrate properly into the slightly strange site substitution we use here on the actual network. Anyway, I gave up for now, and just brought most everything I had live. My personal favorite isn't even listed on the front page there - see the bottom of any page for the new contribution attributions - once google crawls our site again, try googling your real name. More interesting results than usual, no? Anyway, another really cool one is the AJAX preview - try it when your replying to this post hehe. The rest are still too cool for words, which is why I am going to stop typing said words, press that awesome preview button just so I can see it in action one more time before bed, and go there. (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.)

To be honest, I don't understand half of what you're talking about. But it sounds great :D Tihocan 14:58, March 20, 2006 (EST)

You'll see as time goes on - I am most proud of the AJAX previewing - just reply to this and hit 'Show preview' instead of 'Save page' - you'll see immediately what I mean. {{:User:Peerless/Sig1| 16:59, March 20, 2006 (EST)

Aaah, I think I see now. Actually, I had not noticed it immediately, my bad. Preview seems instant now. Cool :) Tihocan 11:10, March 21, 2006 (EST)

Peerless, I think the contributions thing is an interesting idea, but I prefer to keep my gaming persona separate from my real life, and therefore prefer anonymity. Based on the amount of anonymous edits we get here, I don't think I'm alone in this (granted there's other reasons why folks might not register here before editing). What would you think about using account names (but not anonymous IP addresses) if the real name info is blank? Dedridd 15:21, March 20, 2006 (EST)

Yes, that is how it works. Just delete the Real Name field in the preferences to show username instead. I am suprised, however - do you not want attribution for your hard work and contributions? I sure do (-: (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.)

Sure - game stuff under my gaming persona, and work stuff under my professional persona. Dedridd 08:52, March 21, 2006 (EST)

I meant under your real name lol - whatever, up to you, thanks to being able to switch it off (-: (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.)

Unfortunately because of the AJAX previewing, you can't use 'Show preview' to test that the categories are set up right on a page before saving. Is there a way around this? I'm sure it's a side-effect of not posting back to show the changes in the preview, since the category entries seem to be a parsing thing in the wiki codebase, but this may lead to a lot more revisions of each page to get the categories right - or people may not even notice that they got them wrong. I can't think of a good middle-ground to suggest at this point, but I'm hoping you'll have an idea of how to get around this. Dedridd 09:18, March 21, 2006 (EST)

Well, for now you can switch off javascript to do it... hmmm I'll need to think on this. What exactly isn't showing up right? If you mean the box showing what categories the page is in; that should be - wow your right it doesn't show up. Weird. I guess I didn't expect anybody to need to preview that - if you put it in category A, then it's in category A... I'm confused how that could be hard; but I'll work on integrating it. It may be really hard, as I already wrapped up the entire AJAX preview work and integrated it... (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.)

For people familiar with our naming conventions, they'll probably get the category name correct on the first try. Those that aren't might use a singular form of a page name, however. And while a simple typo or misspelling (such as Guild ) won't keep it from showing up in the category box, if it is marked as a non-existing page, then you know you probably messed up the category link somehow. I've found this very helpful when categorizing pages. Dedridd 16:18, March 21, 2006 (EST)

I see... d***it I have too many projects going. I need a tech team to yell at and throw projects to!!! This is driving me crazy. (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.)

I don't think it's a high priority problem, but I wanted to make you aware of it. Dedridd 08:20, March 22, 2006 (EST)

Advertising tone

As you probably know, there are some people out there who do not like much the Wiki. The main reason being because of the potentially wrong information that can be found here. If we want to convince more people to come visit us, we must advertise it. However, I also think we must do so without sounding too pretentious, since we know very well that the Wiki is not perfect. I sincerely think that a post like this one does more harm than good to the Wiki: it makes us sound like we think everyone else is cr*p. I find the signature to be a bit too much too. Any thoughts on this matter? Tihocan 10:28, March 23, 2006 (EST)

I am far from having a tongue of silver - so, if you like, you can post for us lol - I barely have time to any; just tying to GET THE NAME OUT THERE. I post there, and am STILL surprised by people who don't know about the site - it's like OMG. How is that possible? But I guess we aren't as all-known as I think we are - good god though, 10,000 hits MINIMUM every day? Wow. Anyway - tihocan, get on MSN and I'll drop you the password to the EnterWiki admin account. (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.)

No no, I'm not really a good advertiser, I think it's good that you're on the forums too to advertise the site. It's just that I think you should be careful, when posting, to stay humble in order not to hurt other people's feelings. Even though I haven't reallly checked out the other fansites yet, I do believe we are the best in the kind of information we offer, but if you post on the forums saying "we are the best website", you can be sure some people are not even going to bother because that sounds like someone desperate to get some visitors. Tihocan 15:38, March 23, 2006 (EST)

I seriously have no idea what I'm doing - I am the worst community advocate in the world. Really, with xevo running the server and me doing backend and wiki administration, we need to hire somebody to be a community advocate for the wiki(s). Or get somebody interested, so we don't have to pay them! (-: (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.)

Images

I finally fixed the image system. Currently, you can upload DDO-specific images at Special:Upload, and global images at Special:Upload - in the process, I found two stranded iamges. Anybody know who these belong to? [[:Image:ScreenShot00001.jpg]], [[:Image:Equipment_slots.jpg]]? Also, if anything breaks or seems weird PLEASE let me know - if I have to change something on this system, it is TONS of work, exponentially more for practically every image that is uploaded. (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.)

The second one, Equipment_slots.jpg is mine, and it's used on the Slot page. I had to re-upload it after the server move, so maybe it's the older version? Not sure, but when I follow your image link it all works and Slot is listed at the bottom of the page as a 'used by' link. No clue about the first image. Dedridd 15:06, March 23, 2006 (EST)

Don't know about these images. But images on the Classes page seem to be broken (to me at least). Tihocan 15:32, March 23, 2006 (EST)

Try touching it. (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.)

Do you mean reload the page? Does not work under Firefox (Linux). Tihocan 16:34, March 23, 2006 (EST)

Touch (v): To edit a page and save without making any changes, to force it to reload all info from the database. (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.)

Will such an operation update the history for the page? I've tried to do this before to get categories to update, but it looked like the system wasn't really re-saving the page, and I figured it was because I didn't make any changes. Dedridd 08:36, March 24, 2006 (EST)

Just add like 5 returns at the bottom of the page - it'll strip them out before saving, but it will register a change and save the page as a new oldid. (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.)

Search is broken

Search is now directly redirecting you to the article or edit page of what you were searching, instead of displaying the search results. Tihocan 10:14, March 23, 2006 (EST)

Search always took you to a page if it found an exact match to your search critieria. But if there's only a partial match, you're right - it's now going to an edit page based on what was typed in, instead of giving the results of partial matches, like it used to. Should this go on the bug reports page? I'm not sure which gets better visibility. Dedridd 10:21, March 23, 2006 (EST)

Oooh, there is a bug report page? Cool! There is also this problem with editing sections, which I mentioned somewhere else. /me invokes the Wiki gods. Tihocan 10:52, March 23, 2006 (EST)

Yeah, there's a bug report page, and there's actually a link to it near the top of the home page. However, you've got me wondering how many other people don't see it there besides you. Could that be a good candidate for the Reader's links section of the sidebar, perhaps, so it's always visible? Dedridd 11:05, March 23, 2006 (EST)

Well, the reason is probably that I just don't (almost) don't visit the home page anymore. Should be in the FAQ at least, I'd say. Not sure if it's worth a permanent link, since most bugs will probably be spotted by one of the editors. Tihocan 11:17, March 23, 2006 (EST)

Makes sense, and I agree with your logic. Dedridd 12:45, March 23, 2006 (EST)

I've posted this on the bug report page along with another bug I've noticed. I'm not going to remove this discussion, though, since it's referenced from there. Dedridd 12:53, March 23, 2006 (EST)

You can't invoke the wiki gods tihocan - you are the friggin wiki god. Anyway, fixed the section edit titles, and the search &go=Go format change was intentional - just haven't gotten around to adding a second box to the skin. I'll try and get around to doing that now. (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.)

I can. See, it worked! ;p Thanks! Tihocan 15:41, March 23, 2006 (EST)

Can you please change back the search to what it was before? Two reasons for that: (1) users who search something and get to an edit box witll fill the edit box with their question (just happened twice recently) instead of getting to a page that may contain what they are looking for, and (2) for instance I was looking for "command" to see if we had somewhere a robe of command, but command is also a spell, so I was sent to the page for the command spell, which I was not interested in (even though I suspect a robe of command just casts command, but anyway). I think the old search is much better as it is the behavior people expect. The "Go" behavior will be mainly used by editors who know where they want to go. It could even go to the editor's links as far as I'm concerned. Tihocan 13:47, March 24, 2006 (EST)

I'm working on it... just too many things going on, and I keep forgetting to finish any given one! (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.)

lol, that's why I'm reminding you ;p Tihocan 15:35, March 24, 2006 (EST)

Think that's fixed. Why not separate the functionality? On a side note, moving this somewhere more relevant. (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.)

(re-starting the indents, pretend this is over there -->)

I'm confused, they seem to do the same thing for me. Maybe it's the medicine I'm taking... ;) Dedridd 16:46, March 24, 2006 (EST)

Now, if a page matches your search, you get directly to it ("Go" behavior), but if it does not, a normal search page appears. This is already much better. I still think that it should always be the search page by default. For instance if I search "Command", I might be looking for the Command spell, but also the "of command" item enhancement, or a list of commands in the game. Ideally all three would be on the search page, while the current "Go" behavior will only send me to the Command spell. Tihocan 14:29, March 27, 2006 (EST)

I actually disagree on this one, from a personal standpoint. That means you always have to deal with a search page, even if you know exactly what you're looking for. Arguably, only us few editors or regular contributors remember exact page titles, or techno geeks. I thought it was rather nifty that the search could do both things depending on if it got an exact match. However, in the interest of the casual users that visit our site, I agree that a more straightforward and singular behavior would be more beneficial (dangit, I hate giving up nifty features because they're hard to explain to new users, but I do it every day). Dedridd 17:35, March 27, 2006 (EST)

Why not make both available? If I could integrate it, I think enter-goes-to-search, and ctrl+enter-goes-to-page-even-if-it's-not-created would be great. I dunno how to force that though - making submit forms work on keypress is fine - perhaps - ah! But... mmm cråp I dunno - two hidden submits? But javascript... cråp. (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.)

Yes having both would be best I think. I agree with Dedridd that regular editors will probably want to use the direct go feature, but casual visitors would probably prefer the search results. Ctrl-Enter would be nice, otherwise maybe just an option to set in our preferences? (with default = search, and editors can set it to go). Tihocan 10:39, March 28, 2006 (EST)