Talk:Update 17

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Let's discuss this motion suggested by BlackSmith. While I don't strictly disagree with having a general overview page about each update in human speech (rather than just rel.notes listing), this goes against a long history of "Update X" pages being redirected to "Update X Release Notes". And consistency is a great thing. Opinions?

I personally don't need such an overview article because I know what to find where. For those who don't, they can look up basic info/links for recent updates on the Home page, that will be soon updated to include Template:News/Update 17. --Cru121 (Contributions • Message) 05:05, February 16, 2013 (EST)

im not particularly against doing overview pages. i like it actually, but heres some of my thoughts;

• shouldnt this rather be considered [[In development/Update 17]] as is?
• as Curu mentioned we have News and News templates linked from toppage already. but maybe we still can use the template as like floating info box on this page?
• it should be at least stored in [[c:Update"s"]] not [[c:Update]], and we already have [[c:Modlues and updates]]. rename that to [[c:Release Notes]] then?
• what are supposed to be stored under [[c:Update 17]]? all the stuff changed in U17? thats too much hustle.
• Shade suggested doing Lama note archive on Beta Updates  but we havent come to conclusion yet. how do you think?

→ yoko5000 (Contributions • Message) 05:24, February 16, 2013 (EST)

Long history of miss named articles that are acknowledged but because it has been so long wrong, does not make it right.

You can't refer in other articles to modules or updates in this wiki as the wiki does not recognize them. Instead the wiki has multiple articles about the source for those articles. Besides, this article is about the update, not copy&paste from the release notes.

Those redirects are just confusing as instead of taking the reader to a article, it takes the reader to the source used to verify the information in that article (in this release note case). they are breaking the principles of redirects.

I specially worded the article that it could easily changed to imperfect after the release and the notes for it are made live. The content could indeed moved to In development/Update 17 and after it comes live, move it back here again. Although there is lot of content regarding the article and the article has its own sources and its belong to specific category instead of being vague "work in progress", keeping the content in this page. If the reader happens to interest more about what U17 is about, then he should be directed to (this) article that handles the issue more deeply.

The news articles purpose is unrelieved to me. There are news section in the DDO website, there is the ingame news, there is also the news story arc and somekind of news feed in the wikis front page, but if its any of those, the article is badly named. Instead it should be a disambiguation page. Based on the content in news article, it looks summary of what the updates (not modules) have been all about thus the content should be in update article. (Not in modules and updates as its strictly about updates.)

C:Release Notes is against naming convention, it should be C:release notes. Same goes to its members.

C:update 17 would indeed captures all articles that were touched by update 17. That way it is easy to keep track if the articles are up to date as adding the category tag needs to be done by hand. I fail to see how it is too much of hassle. The articles touched by U17 need to be updated in anycase, adding a copy&pasted C:update 17 to the article is hardly a superhuman feat.

It should be C:Beta updates as per NC, but otherwise what is the content? There is only one test server, Lamannia, so would it not be more fitting and describing to be C:Lamannia updates. That way it would be easy on a release to make changes to the article and move the Update X article from C:Lamannia updates to the C:updates as it would be now update that affects all servers.

In overall the c:Modules and updates should have couple subcategories. Those would be Modules, updates and Lama ones. Modules and update articles would be members of their respectful subC's and also the combo category (its a relevant, strong union thus it has its place) while lama updates would not (because they do not touch the game in whole).

BlackSmith (Contributions • Message) 09:29, February 16, 2013 (EST)

Siding with Cru121 on this. Reorganization and adding new C: is a work in progress. Coming in and dropping in a new C: and rearranging with out a plan not is not helping. Or are we going to have another C: Servers again? Bladedge (Contributions • Message) 15:23, February 16, 2013 (EST)

I frankly don't understand all BlackSmith's plans for recategorization. Perhaps you should start a new discussion on that, explaining your idea in a clear, concise and polished post, and then admins + perhaps active editors can vote.

But returning to the Update 17 article, I reread it with critical eye and it's currently pretty messy and I'd rather read the release notes (Lama or live) than what's currently there, notes have more accurate information. I don't like the "supposedly" in each sentence (redundant with the Speculation template). I hate the red links. OTOH, I really like Yoko's idea of having the news box floating on the various release notes articles. This can actually help the reader, because as a news box, it's frequently edited to keep it up to date. And it points the user to useful existing resources on the wiki. --Cru121 (Contributions • Message) 02:27, February 17, 2013 (EST)