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Stacking[edit]

The article mentions : "In addition to the universal resistance bonuses to saves, specialized item enchantments exist that affect only a subset of saving throws."
Do they have the same effect? I mean, does a Resistance +1 offers the same bonus as a Will Save +1 for raising the probability of a successful will saving throw? Also, do both stack if 2 items having them each are both equipped? --HawkFest (Contributions • Message) 16:05, June 25, 2014 (EDT)

EDIT - I got half of the answer here (Resistance_bonus) : "Resistance bonuses from various sources do not stack".
Now, 2 "noobish" questions :
  • do they both have the same chance of happening, e.g. given some check for a successful throw?
  • does a specialized enchantment have "specialized" effects on top of the universal item enchantment (e.g. some chance to have a +xx% buff over that +x enchantment, that said although I haven't looked up the maths used in DDO for this matter)?
    • --HawkFest (Contributions • Message) 16:21, June 25, 2014 (EDT)
    You are right resistance bonuses do not stack.

    Check out Saving throw for some more information.  — Zav (C·T·E) 20:14, June 25, 2014 (EDT)

    Many thanks for your reply and the leads, quite relevant! Trying to understand and get some global picture or "rule of thumb", I'll use your example (pls don't hesitate to correct me if I'm wrong)... I guess that since Insight is an ability by itself, giving a bonus to some other ability (like AC), and as such it can stack with other different abilities influencing the same distinct "eventful attributes" (or what should we say, "type"? "skill"? Am I so confused that I'm thinking over a wrong path?), as Resistance could be considered by itself a distinct ability having sub-types... e.g. Insight would stack with any resistance type since it'd be an ability adding a "buff" to whatever save that is taking place (whatever the resistance type, inc. the universal one), by addition (or is it a factor?); as opposed to sub-type buff calculation of a probability for such buff (like fortitude) to enhance by itself the probability of a successful saving throw, both being applied distinctively in the calculation of a save check... But that's a wild-guess from my part : is there a page actually showing those calculations? What should we consider, that an ability adds-up after a successful check (like the amplitude of a save throw), or adds up to the probability of a successful check which would have a constant effect (countering 100% of the attacking effect)? --HawkFest (Contributions • Message) 17:58, June 26, 2014 (EDT)
    Pretty much everything about your character -- whether it be skills, abilities, saves, skills, AC, PRR, Elemental resistances, attack bonus, damage, attack speed, and more -- can be affected by different bonuses. Everything has a bonus type associated with it. (Sometimes it is not printed. In many cases this means it stacks with everything else but not always.) As long as an item, enhancement, feat, etc. provides a different bonus type to the same thing it will stack.

    For saves lets look as making a check versus an enemy mob's spell. The spell will have a DC. This is what your saving throw needs to equal or exceed.

    • The spells DC is 10 + spell level + the stat modifier for the caster's key ability (differs based on class) + other bonuses.
    • Finger of Death allows a fortitude save for a partial (lesser) effect. (If you fail the save, you die; if you succeed, you take damage.)
    • When you attempt to save against FoD you roll a d20 and add 21 to the result. (You automatically fail if you roll a natural 1 (unless you have certain abilities or Epic Feats) and automatically save with a natural 20 on the roll.) Outside of that your d20+21 needs to be greater than or equal to 34.
      • 1: 5% chance to auto fail, 20: 5% chance to auto succeed. 35%: 34-21=13, so you need a 13+ on the d20 to succeed. In this case, you have a 40% chance of making your saving throw.
    • If your fortitude save is a 2, you would fail unless you rolled a 20; thus having a 5% chance of success. If it is a 32, you would succeed unless you roll a 1; thus having a 95% chance of success.

    I don't know if I directly answered your questions, but I hope it helps.  — Zav (C·T·E) 19:57, June 26, 2014 (EDT)

    U32 CC Changes[edit]

    With the completely revised CC system introduced in U32 some changes to templates may be needed. For example, Resistance shards can be applied to Wrist and Trinket as a Prefix, and to Head, Hands, and Trinket as a Suffix. I'm not certain the existing template can accommodate this, no use of "prefix, suffix" or "prefix|suffix" applied correctly. Additionally, the note which says "In addition to the universal resistance bonuses to saves, specialized item enchantments exist that affect only a subset of saving throws." is factually correct, but it is now erring by omission because the various specialized resistances (poison, spells, poison, etc.) have their own set of items they may be applied to as a prefix/suffix, and the reader may assume that they are applied in the exact places that Resistance is applied without any caveat being made. --Niminae (Contribs • Message) 17:42, December 13, 2016 (EST)

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