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Theres a problem with the Speed 20 on the Flightfoot Greaves : https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Flightfoot_Greaves

If you mouse over "Speed 20", it says that it gives +10% bonus to attack speed. This is incorrect, it actually gives 7%. The screenshot of the item also shows that it gives 7% attack speed, not 10.

I tried editing the wiki article but i see no way to fix this error...i assume its taking the incorrect data from another page but i cant find it. Can anyone more familiar with the wiki fix this please?

⇒ Question (Contribs • Message • Email) 21:13, August 2, 2020 (EDT)

• This is a tricky problem. The Speed enchantment provides two effects: Attack speed and movement speed. Previously, the relation was that the attack speed = movement speed / 2. This is how it's calculated in the Template:Speed. Lynnabel changed how the movement portion of the enchantment scales with level; it now starts at 15% at level 1, apparently, it's 20% at level 10, and eventually sometime reaches 30. What needs to be done:

1. Figure out the new relationship between movement speed and attack speed.
2. Update the template accordingly.
3. Update all Speed items to new values.

I'd recommend starting with #3 so that we get more data points to figure out #1. --⇒ Cru121 (Contribs • Message • Email) 07:48, August 3, 2020 (EDT)

Uh, i dont know when this change happened but even in that realy old screenshot of the boots you see on the item page, they have 20% movement and 7% attack speed. ⇒ Question (Contribs • Message • Email) 13:17, August 3, 2020 (EDT)

• If you look at Media:Flightfoot Greaves.jpg, you'll see the screenshot is from 18:59, June 3, 2020 (EDT)... I don't know what qualifies as "realy old" to you, but 2 months does even come close to qualifying for me. To re-iterate... We need to get some data points of what the current values are at various levels, figure out the relationships, and update the template accordingly. :)  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message • Email) 👟 17:56, August 3, 2020 (EDT)

I just checked the page history. The original screenshot used in 2017 shows +15% movement speed and +7% attack speed : https://ddowiki.com/index.php?title=Item:Flightfoot_Greaves&oldid=374093. Its never had 10% attack speed.

There are only two heroic named items with the new speed formula, the flightfoot greaves (20% move speed, 7% attack speed) and the heroic sprinters (22% move speed, 11% attack speed). I checked using the cannith crafting planner, and surprisingly, it follows the cannith crafting striding/alacrity power formulas exactly.

A ML 10 cannith crafted item can have 20% move speed or 7% attack speed, exactly the same as the ML 10 flightfoot greaves. A ML 15 cannith crafted item can have 22% move speed or 11% attack speed, exactly the same as the ML 15 shadow sprinters. So if you want to update the template to use the current formula, you can use the CC planner site to check what the formula is : http://ccplanner.byethost14.com/ ⇒ Question (Contribs • Message • Email) 02:53, August 4, 2020 (EDT)

• Not sure if Striding progression in cannith crafting has changed, but the planner has 15% Striding at ML10, i.e. the old progression. ⇒ Cru121 (Contribs • Message • Email) 03:26, August 4, 2020 (EDT)

• • I stand corrected, the CC planner's formula only matches the attack speed used on the boots. Also slight correction on the shadow sprinters, it's actually 25% move speed, not 22%. I would not be surprised if as named items, their values were manually adjusted to be higher on purpose, in which case theres no point trying to use a formula for them. Anyway, i did a quick search for random loot gen swift items on the AH, but I quickly realised its pointless. The prefixes are not always generated at the highest level for the item. I saw a ML 10 swift item with +15% move speed and +4% attack speed, while a ML 9 swift item had +16% move speed and +5% attack speed. ⇒ Question (Contribs • Message • Email) 19:52, August 4, 2020 (EDT)

Couple points:

• Checking random loot is indeed not useful.
• Thanks for updating shadow sprinters pic, this gives us another data point.
• Do not remove the Speed template, simply use the movement speed as in game for the parameter. Eventually, the popup will be fixed to include the correct attack speed.

Thanks. ⇒ Cru121 (Contribs • Message • Email) 04:12, August 5, 2020 (EDT)

Sample data - let's try filling this up

Item	ML	Movement speed	Attack speed
Flightfoot Greaves	10	20	7
Shadow Sprinters	15	25	11
Lenses of the Dark Depths	17	27	12
Blackfeather Boots	21	?	?
Belt of the Ram	5	15	5