User talk:Agonshar/2014/2

Format of In development
Thanks for making it colorful. However, I hate it. It's a nightmare to edit. What I hate most: See also: Talk:In_development --Cru121 (Contributions • Message)
 * Titles in tables. This prevents the editor from editing a single section.
 * The tables. Tables generally are a pain to edit. Why have more tables than needed?

Thank you! --Cru121 (Contributions • Message) 07:28, March 27, 2014 (EDT)

Sidebar layout & contents
I think firstly that its always good to always everything on DDOwiki within an 'under revision' perspective Shoe - even the Sidebar itself, I'm just going to throw this lot out there and see where this goes to start discussions, perhaps some of its irrelevant, perhaps not - lets find out.

Page header contents could be perhaps merged with the Sidebar itself (I refer to the page title you are on and your own username/Talk?pref?Watch/Contrib/Logout) - integrating these with the sidebar navigation menu would allow more content to always be displayed when people use the wiki vertically and with ample room on the sidebar itself there doesn't seem any reason why not - one adjustment of course would be that the page you are on would need to be BOLDED somehow to highlight your location, so much more COULD go into the sidebar but another question is: should it? And leading on from that it does have the potential to hold a TON of information - think java menu's and so forth..

So here are contribs in bullet point:

1. Integrate usermenu into sidebar? (Discuss HOW/WHY/FOR/AGAINST)

2. What suggestions are there for more links into the sidebar? (Discuss HOW/WHY/FOR/AGAINST)

3. Either keep it very simplified or use it to its full potential - java drop down menus etc? (Discuss HOW/WHY/FOR/AGAINST)

Link: Sidebar }}
 * Take a look here and let's get everyone in on this to see what we can hash out. -- Ague (Talk · Contribs · Blocks · Deletions · Imports · Patrols · Page Moves · Page Protects · User Merges · User Rights) 12:20, April 24, 2014 (EDT)

Green Steel ideas
Here's my 2cp...
 * Raw ingredients of all types -> one page
 * Manufactured ingredients of all types -> one page
 * Each tier (blank/invasion/subj/dev) individual pages

That is a total of 6 basic pages. With a nicely organized TOC and some # links used throughout the series of pages to point to specific portions, I think it will look nice. Perhaps a bit lenghty in some spots, but that's where the proper organization will come into play. For page names, I vote to to keep it super simple (Green Steel - Raw Ingredients/Green Steel - Manufactured Ingredients/Green Steel - Blank Construction/Green Steel - Altar of Invasion/...) or something to that effect. I agree that some of the page names are less than descriptive in their current state and could use a nice visit. Just some ideas... -- Ague (Talk · Contribs · Blocks · Deletions · Imports · Patrols · Page Moves · Page Protects · User Merges · User Rights) 16:32, May 5, 2014 (EDT)


 * Well I've gone along that route but to accomodate all levels of experience I have expanded through to 10 pages (but only because 4 of those are sub pages) so I'm looking at 6 pages total, and BOY is this thing a tangled nasty - will be SO much easier afterwards - I do believe categorisation is key to simplifying all future editing. take Thunder Forge for example - each Tier has its own section to simply EDIT - much like this what I'm trying to achieve here but with pages instead - except this requires MUCH more due to its more complicated nature.  I looked again at my intentions and what you suggested and went through the motions of seeing how it would affect everything if I simplified even further things like ingredients pages or weapons/accessories but I think it would end up with mammoth long pages as a result that wont get read as the user is presented with a huge wall of text - ugh!  I re-opted for the original idea of keeping it all separate and in bite-size chunks so when someone wants something - its there and quickly digestible.Agonshar (Contributions • &uArr; top &uArr;) 16:44, May 5, 2014 (EDT)
 * Just moved onto page 2 (Green Steel Ingredients) and have changed my mind once more after reviewing what is already available on the wiki - here's what I'm looking for some help with - my table here User:Agonshar/Current with the shavarath signet stone info can do a lot more and I'm wondering who would I speak to about converting it into a sortable and integrating the first two tables on this page here Raw_Ingredient - looks like the table I have for the shavarath stones is big enough to accommodate these two into one - can anyone help as I would like to move this project along quickly as now its starting to go public. Thanks!!Agonshar (Contributions • &uArr; top &uArr;) 17:00, May 5, 2014 (EDT)