DDO wiki talk:Naming policy/Archive01

Shade File naming on Upload file page
Dont think is possible since its some type of protected system page. But I think be a nice idea to have a brief version of Shade File naming - Item pages on the Upload file page. Bladedge 18:44, March 28, 2012 (EDT)


 * An even simpler solution. File Moving. Similar to what we have with regular pages, where it moves the page to the new name, only with the file. (restrict move ability to Sysop, and don't create a redirect) Yawgmoth 01:26, March 29, 2012 (EDT)

Project: Switch to Title Case? Requesting comments from administrators/regular editors

 * View the list of all articles, then find the ones that are miscased... Yawgmoth (Contributions &bull; Message) 16:06, April 23, 2012 (EDT)


 * Well, that method seems kinda... EEP! lol But yeah, I'm definitely for Shade's idea, having things more standardized = looks better. LrdSlvrhnd (Contributions &bull; Message) 16:09, April 23, 2012 (EDT)


 * I'm Opposed. My original post seems to have not saved this morning.. Basically, The current naming convention is the better of the two.  Changing "The Harbor Loot" implies there is an item named "The Harbor Loot" where-as "The Harbor loot" very clearly specifies the stuff on the page is loot from The Harbor.

Your titlecase suggestion also would require piped links for anything that isn't named, or all kinds of improper English cases in sentences in order to make the links work because a link to In Development doesn't go to the same place as in development. I think this is a very bad idea. ShoeMaker (Contributions &bull; Message) 16:29, April 23, 2012 (EDT)


 * I'm for it. 150%.  It is going to create a bunch of work, but once all is said and done, the appearance of the page titles will be much more of that of a professional wiki (i.e. Wikipedia). Ague (Contributions &bull; Message) 19:08, April 23, 2012 (EDT)


 * For the record, this is NOT the naming convention that wikipedia uses.. See The featured article for 19:25, April 23, 2012 (EDT) with links to Wage reform in the Soviet Union, 1956–1962 (reform is not capitalized), Soviet working class, Piece work, and Capital good. ShoeMaker (Contributions &bull; Message) 19:25, April 23, 2012 (EDT)


 * *flips a coin* Against, apparently.... I prefer not having a thousand redirects to click thru just to get to one page Yawgmoth (Contributions &bull; Message) 19:50, April 23, 2012 (EDT)

Against: I think having the wiki use naming that differs from the in-game naming is good and highlights what is an in-game object/name vs. what is not. Plus, lots of work for very little gain in my opinion. I could get behind Taurolyon's "The Harbor/Loot" idea maybe. Backley (Contributions &bull; Message) 11:52, April 24, 2012 (EDT)


 * That is not my primary concern.. My primary concern comes from the horrible results that would occur because "check out our quests by adventure pack page." does not go to the same place as "check out our Quests by Adventure Pack page." This would force the editor to have to pipe the correct link to the proper English on the page → " check out our quests by adventure pack page. ", they would end up with bad grammar and improper case in a sentence on the page → "check out our Quests by Adventure Pack page.", or even worse they would end up with a redlink → "check out our quests by adventure pack page." ShoeMaker (Contributions &bull; Message) 15:30, April 24, 2012 (EDT)


 * Hey, I count, so it's 5 against! Shade, you seem to forget that every time a page is moved, it makes redirect. Ive got my browser set to disable redirect until i click to proceed. I only tossed the coin because I wanted to get this over with, so we can get to the other elephant in the room, Item: namespace. @Mjoll: don't worry about it, we've come to expect Shades typos Yawgmoth (Contributions &bull; Message) 19:02, April 24, 2012 (EDT)


 * Kobold starting to dislike you. Not kobold fault, there was SHINY!!!! For the record, kobold think this bad idea too..  Not in the face! NOT IN THE FACE! AHHHHH!!!!! Kobold worker (Contributions &bull; Message) 20:48, April 24, 2012 (EDT)


 * ... LOL he does it to you all the time.. I think it is just to annoy you. If I were you, I would put:

/* Fix for Shade's misspelling of Mjoll */ $('a[title^="User:Mjol"]').each(function {   this.innerHTML = this.innerHTML.replace("User:Mjoll", "User:Mjol");    this.innerHTML = this.innerHTML.replace("User:Mjol", "User:Mjoll");    this.title = this.title.replace("User:Mjol (page does not exist)", "User:Mjoll");    this.href = this.href.replace("/edit/User:Mjol?redlink=1", "/page/User:Mjoll"); }) on your User:Mjoll/common.js page (based on the "Item: namespace strip by ") and never notice again! ShoeMaker (Contributions &bull; Message) 20:34, April 24, 2012 (EDT)

Technical 13 impersonating multiple users, posting insults and trying to use alt accounts as additional votes

 * Where-as is not an administrator in any qualification, this does not qualify as an additional vote or impersonating anything.

A simple misspelling of someones name happens once, not on multiple occasions... You, good sir, have done it repeatedly lately. You as of late have been making policies, and most of it was simply not voted upon by anyone else. You're living under the false assumption that everyone that comes here, has played DDO or at very least PnP and knows something about something.. This is simply not true in MOST cases.. While there may be a few players that come here for twink references of this or that, I would say that a good majority know little about what they are here to look-up or research.. This is a wiki for a game, not Encyclopedia Britannica. There are things that need to be dumbed down a little. Personal attacks and failure to maintain a certain level of professionalism regarding the use of proper English are grounds for demotion.. Your example of an insult to by calling him Mjol after he was VERY clearly upset by this in the previous instance is considered a personal attack in my opinion. Your repeated flat out refusal to check your spellings, grammar, and punctuation on discussion pages is a blatant disregard for Spelling and respect to the three other administrators that have been going around all of the content pages cleaning up after you. Not to mention, commons sense says that everyone should strive to make any post they make to be professional and top-of-the-line. I'm not going to petition for a demotion of you based on any reasons at this point, although I have many.. I am very much not impressed with your actions as of late. You have caused one disruption after another.. Time for me to cool off.. You have made me fairly. I respect the fact that we are two different style people.. Your are a Melee type, and I am a Caster type, and perhaps this is evident in our conflict. However, Shade, I seem to think at this point, the majority of the conflict seems to be between you and I. So, let's discuss things, as I had already started to do on your talk page. ShoeMaker (Contributions &bull; Message) 00:03, April 25, 2012 (EDT)


 * Kobold must clarify... Kobold no vote on topic. Kobold's statement was reply to "  talk:Naming policy‎; 23:02 . . (+534) . . Yawgmoth (Talk | contributions) (My last response. Blame the Kobold for mistakes) [4]"  Kobold think very bad idea blame Kobold for mistakes.. Kobold could care less about your policy.  Kobold hope confusion clarified. Kobold worker (Contributions &bull; Message) 00:44, April 25, 2012 (EDT)

Like you said, "i created the naming policy".. This is not how things should be run.. Then, you continue to explain, "Really the main reason i considered it at first was from seeing a large number of pages by Tihocan years back"... "years back" being the key words there to me.. Really.. Hasn't made an edit in a year.. It's time to let it go.. You also claim, "to copy current conventions, not to enforce new ones" which is quite contrary to what you have been doing in my opinion. In some cases, you have made valid points. An example being outdated templates.. Someone may link to an "old revision" of an item.. However, the answer is not to leave the broken templates that were replaced with new templates for a reason.. The more appropriate solution, is to go through and transclude anything that may use the old template to the new template as best as is possible.. Sure, many parameters may be missing, and, although I've never seen it, there may be an argument that has no appropriate place to transclude it through to. So, you may have to create something, someplace to handle this... If you can not handle this, you could always post a request on one of our advanced template creation guys.. ,, (I believe has dabbled a little and understands the basics of template making), or. ShoeMaker (Contributions &bull; Message) 01:03, April 25, 2012 (EDT)
 * You are an administrator Shade.. This comes with an expectation of professionalism on all pages, including talk pages... Sure, no one is 100% perfect, I do not claim to be, nor would I expect anyone else to be. You are going to make "a mistake" on spelling or grammar or punctuation once in a while.. However, every single post, is unacceptable. I know that if someone had a big fit over a mistake in the way I spelled their name, I would not duplicate the EXACT same mistake a few days later... I would make a point, if nothing else, do NOT duplicate that mistake..  You on the other-hand, just do not seem to care to me.

Violations of Policies
Shade wants to talk about violations of the Naming and Deletion policies and how I am the number one offender.. I am sticking up for the Naming policy and may have had a few typo's when Shade wants to change it to all capitals.. I have figured out why he wants to do such a ridiculous thing, there are 84 uploads that Shade has made that are direct violations of "HIS" Naming policy... Specifically, "Unlike most other page names, Categories use standard English capitalization rules. Thus only proper names are capitalized as in-game, not much else." I'm tired of him accusing me of thinking I am above the rules when HE is the real number one offender and seems to think that since "HE" wrote the policy, he is above it.. A complete list of all 84 files can be found on Category:Flagged for instant deletion with a note saying that correctly named versions need to be uploaded before the violations can be removed. I also just restored seven direct violations of the Deletion policy by Shade. So, if you want to start pointing fingers, point at yourself first. Re-deletion of those seven pages without following proper procedure will be considered grounds for immediate demotion from System Administrator as deemed necessary by a steward, only to be over-ridden by a review. Consider this your written warning on the matter. ShoeMaker (Contributions &bull; Message) 02:24, April 25, 2012 (EDT)