User talk:Technical 13/2012/3

Unused files section
Would like to start deleting files in the Unused files section. Some are really old, most are unused or been replaced, while the newer files are getting lost in the mix. Any concerns or problems before or if Iam able to clean out that section??? Bladedge (Contributions • Message) 14:09, July 3, 2012 (EDT)


 * I think the more pressing issue is the slew of incoming new files that do not meet our naming policy standard... For now, until this new expansion stuff settles down, I would personally rather see you downloading the images, re-uploading to the proper filename, and deleting the replaced versions... but that might be just me... ShoeMaker (Contributions &bull; ) 22:58, July 3, 2012 (EDT)

Template:Stat

 * AFAIK there is no Psionic bonus that is always active, only short time bonus from clickies, enhancements and alike. PCrazee (Contributions &bull; Message) 11:50, July 9, 2012 (EDT)


 * It shouldn't be hard to change. Change the description and pop-up for exceptional +2 into insightful +2 (this will take care of the old exceptional +2 items w/o the need to re-edit them all). And add new descriptions/pop-ups for insightful +2 and +3. I don't have the rights to change it, so I'm just dumping my ideas here :) -- PCrazee (Contributions &bull; Message) 11:59, July 9, 2012 (EDT)


 * Right, there is probably no full time psionic bonus to ability, I just thought this would make the template flexible to support future bonuses when they come without developer involvement. If this is not possible/too much effort, I guess at least alchemical bonus should be added. --Cru121 (Contributions &bull; Message) 13:35, July 9, 2012 (EDT)


 * I completely agree the template should be forward compatible (for when they finally DO add this stuff)... It will actually be easier to code that way.. As far as exceptional +2 items go, I'll have  go through and update all of those not done manually by someone else in a hurry... ShoeMaker (Contributions &bull; ) 14:17, July 9, 2012 (EDT)

Kobold Poop
Backley (Contributions • Message) 15:02, July 10, 2012 (EDT) FYI: Kobold left the unneeded Long Popup around Incite10 on this edit: https://ddowiki.com/index.php?title=Update_12_named_items&diff=0&oldid=139274]

Also, left some weird expr:4+1 in https://ddowiki.com/index.php?title=Epic_Swashbuckler_%28Tier_2%29&diff=0&oldid=134453 and https://ddowiki.com/index.php?title=Epic_Swashbuckler_%28Tier_1%29&diff=0&oldid=109538]

I've fixed up those 3 oddities.


 * Thank you. I tried to clean up after him as much as I could... The long popup ones were very rare (thought the 3 got was all of them) and not worth trying to code the ReGex for... The expr:4+1 must have been on Parrying items where it was suppose to  in order to progress the items currently using the template by one so that the 1-5 lesser (non-existant) to superior (level 5) was more consistant with other templates. -- ShoeMaker (Contributions &bull; ) 15:16, July 10, 2012 (EDT)

u14 spell power changes
My guildie (User:Durkun) and I came up with the following list. It's a 'translation' table for the specific spell power enhancements (eg Devotion, Glaciation; see below for some Potency values). Sadly, there is no straight formula to get to the new values. The possible formulae do not work for all items found. :( Some of the descriptions were taken from barter interfaces.

Lesser VI = 60

(Regular) VI (Gauntlets of Eternity) = 60

(Regular) IX (Regalia of the Phoenix) = 78

possible formula: 24 + n*6

Improved I (Devotion Handwraps) = 30

Improved II (Eternal Wand of Spark of Light, Vulkoorim Pendant) = 30

Improved III (Mask of Tragedy) = 42

Improved IV (Letter Opener) = 48

Improved VI (Crest of St. Marcus) = 66

Improved VIII (Lorrik/Glacier 2pc) = 72

Improved IX (Deaths Touch) = 84

possible formula: something odd below VI, and 30 + n*6 above that

Greater II (Frozen Tunic, Cloak of Flames, Ring of Master Artifice) = 36

Greater III (Lightning Rod, in contrast to the screen shot on the wiki) = 48

Greater IV (Frozen Tunic) = 54

Greater IV (Cloak of Flames, Ring of Master Artifice, Twisted Talisman) = 60

Greater V (Frozen Tunic) = 60

Greater VI (Frozen Tunic, Cloak of Flames, Ring of Master Artifice) = 66

Greater VII Combustion (Crystalline Scepter) = 78

Greater VIII (ToD ring): according to http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=4557156&postcount=9 84, according to the altar of subjugation 78

Greater VIII (Sacred Helm set) = 90

possible formula: 30 + n*6 for n smaller than IV, and 36 + n*6 above that.

Superior II (Vulkoorim Pendant) = 42

Superior III (Robe of Fire) = 48

Superior V (Wichting Hour) = 66

Superior VI (upgraded Gauntlets of Eternity, Mad Lute, Staff of Fleshshaping, Luminous Truth) = 72

Superior VI (Frozen Tunic) = 66

Superior VII (Frozen Tunic) = 72

Superior VII (Cloak of Flames, Ring of Master Artifice, Epic Mask of Tragedy/Comedy) = 78

Superior VIII (Lorrik/Glacier 3pc)= 78

Superior VIII (Epic Twisted Talisman, Belashyrra's Scepter)= 84

Superior VIII (Frozen Tunic, Cloak of Flames, Ring of Master Artifice) = 90

Superior IX (Frozen Tunic, Cloak of Flames, Ring of Master Artifice) = 90

Superior IX = 90

possible formula: 36 + n*6

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For Potency:

Potency VII (Madstone Boots) = 48

Greater Potency VII (Epic Mask of Tragedy/Comedy, Madstone Boots) = 52

--Krlkch (Contributions • Message) 20:17, July 10, 2012 (EDT)

Planar Focus of Prowess
New item appeared in end reward list for the chain Queen of the Demonweb.

I have uploaded the image from the item description. https://ddowiki.com/page/File:Planar_Focus_of_Prowess_Desc.jpg

Did a search and couldn't find any page(s) that relate to this

--Redcastle73

Eveningstar

 * I'm not entirely sure I know what you are asking... The individual item pages should be putting those end reward items in "Category: reward items" if the |location = and |end reward = sections are properly filled out.

ShoeMaker (Contributions • ) 08:29, July 19, 2012 (EDT)


 * So you are looking for the The King's Forest, Sschindylryn, The Underdark, and The Demonweb pages  Which apparently need some formalized re-visitation by an administrator...  Just add a  to the top of them and when I find a minute between projects, I will clean them up.  Thank you.

ShoeMaker (Contributions • ) 09:55, July 19, 2012 (EDT)

Multiple locations and bindings
The Item templates need some updating in having the ability to display multiple quest locations with/and the end rewards. Still trying to decipher Template:Bind to see if I can add "c" for Chest "e" for End Reward ex. would display as Bound to Character on Equip - Chest as the items templates look like they can handle multiple bindings if the 2nd binding is enter on the next line line. Bladedge (Contributions • Message) 15:45, July 21, 2012 (EDT)


 * Adding multiple locations to the Named_... templates is already on the todo list... I'm confused what you are saying about bindings... Some items are bound differently based on where you get them, or they are bugged out like some always have been showing both bindings (ie showing both BtCoA & BtCoE on the item). If it is the second one, than those items should be treated like all the rest being classified by whatever the most severe is (CA - CE - AA - AE - unbound).

ShoeMaker (Contributions • ) 18:34, July 21, 2012 (EDT)


 * The items have one binding listed but the binding listed depends on where the item was obtain. Some are BoE when looted from a certain quest chest and/or end reward and BoA in another quest chest and/or end reward. Take the Pale Rod it is a found as end reward for The Unquiet Graves is BoE while the one obtain from The Battle for Eveningstar end reward is BOA. A number of items items listed on the wiki say BoA, but I find the same items in the AH with BoE. Hope that clears it up Bladedge (Contributions &bull; Message) 19:01, July 21, 2012 (EDT)

Single toon TRing vs. alts
Thanks for leaving the message. I never really thought about it actually. I do look for good builds and try to read up on the wiki/forums, but I guess it is possible to screw up pretty bad. I will definitely drop a message if I need some help... for sure when I get to the caster and rogue lives... lets just say they are not my cup of tea ;).


 * lol you did just fine. I'm always around, and often on the IRC to chat live.  Only thing is, use  to sign posts or the Post template.

ShoeMaker (Contributions • ) 12:01, July 22, 2012 (EDT)

Images and Border Color
Should we update images due to the icon border icon? I been avoiding it myself, unless the pic is bad. I honestly see no point in it cause turbine can change the color at anytime. Already seen good images get replace low quality images with a icon border. Bladedge (Contributions • Message) 13:17, July 28, 2012 (EDT)


 * On minor note the "Watch" links not functioning, for me anyway. Bladedge (Contributions &bull; Message) 13:49, July 28, 2012 (EDT)


 * I'm not sure what you mean. Please give me an example or two.  I don't replace any images myself unless something alpha-numeric changes on the item or I have a cleaner clearer picture. ShoeMaker (Contributions &bull; ) 16:31, July 28, 2012 (EDT)


 * I got 4 new VoN items updated today with new images. On the summary I said "U14, red border", but yeah, they also were improvement over the old files (and/or name correction). Take a look: Ring of the Silver Concord, Epic Ring of the Silver Concord, Ruby Encrusted Gauntlets and Helm of the Mroranon. Nibelung (Contributions &bull; Message) 18:53, July 28, 2012 (EDT)


 * OHHH!!!! Is that what you are talking about ? The new icon border colors distinguishing crafted from random from named from epic from etc?  Yeah, unless something else on the item has changed or you have a better looking version, like replacing one with a red 'you can't use this because of requirements' border, yellow 'non-proficient' border,  or even just higher resolution / better cropping, I don't see any reason to worry about the new icon borders too much...  You can always come discuss it on the wiki's  or start a Forum:Help_desk discussion about it.

ShoeMaker (Contributions • ) 19:01, July 28, 2012 (EDT)

Items with Different Variations

 * If I understand your question, yes. All three tiers of each level of item should be created... At least for now... I've contemplated making a Template:Tiered Named Item or something of the sort that will allow some condensation of at least the three tiers of each level to one page, but I would like to spend some time working on Template:Named Item first.  For now, each item can have its own page...

ShoeMaker (Contributions • ) 15:27, August 17, 2012 (EDT)


 * Make my head spin as well. It won't matter if there are no images, it will automatically go into Category:Items without a description image so people can hunt down or create images from that list.  I fixed the link to the template I have been working on... It is an attempt to consolidate all of the Named ... templates into one universal template to make the editor's job easier filling it in.  The arguments used on Template:Named Item are the goal.  with all the brackets myself... If it wasn't for Notepad++ I would be in a coma.

ShoeMaker (Contributions • ) 20:05, August 17, 2012 (EDT)

Possible space after Template:SpellPower
I don't see any issues using Firefox 14.0.1 OR Internet Explorer 9.0.8112.16421 32 OR 64-bit versions. Please tell me what version you are using that you are having a display issue and any add-ons you may have installed. Thank you. ShoeMaker (Contributions • ) / Kobold worker (Contributions • Message) 08:42, August 17, 2012 (EDT)


 * I have tested IceWeasel 11.0, Google Chrome 18.0.1024.151, Internet Explorer 9.0.8112.16421 on Windows 7 Professional 64 bit and Windows 7 Professional 32 bit. Only able to reproduce undesired behavior on one workstation ( version / addon details unavailable at the moment, will be documented within 8 hours of this post. I believe modifying the template to put an artificial space at the end is a bad idea for the reason that not everywhere the template is used is a space after it desired. The links I spot checked either had the template followed by a line break or a comma, I was only able to find one ( the Gauntlets of Eternity page ) that had the template followed by a space ( which does not get displayed in certain cases ). Will do more research and update with findings.

Joenuts


 * Able to reproduce on my workstation undesired behavior of no space being rendered after template spellpower. Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit Internet Explorer 9.0.8112.16421, attempted 64-bit version of internet explorer, 32-bit version also produced undesired behavior ( on same machine ), internet explorer with no add-ons also produces undesired behavior. Firefox version 3.6.24 on the same machine renders the page correctly. There are not many pages which display a space after template spellpower that I have seen ( two so far, Madstone boots and gauntlets of eternity ), which may explain why this is not a common problem. Madstone boots is a good example to work with, as the other templates render spaces correctly after the template. I will try to create a sandbox page and try to isolate exactly why the template is not rendering a space on this browser. It would be nice to know that if I figure out and fix the display issue that it wont be reverted solely due to the fact that the page renders correctly on someone else's other browser. ( As far as I can tell at this point, this is a rendering bug in IE. Joenuts


 * So, the only difference between your machine and mine as far as I can see is that machine is running Ultimate and mine is running Professional. I am inclined to believe that the issue lies somewhere in that specific machine.  I am the 'template guy' for the most part.  I will take a look through the template and see if I can find "any" thing that "may" cause your specific issue.  I am curious to see if you can copy the template to wikipedia or wikimedia and create a test page in your user space and recreate the issue on another installation of mediawiki.  If you can, that would tell me it is more likely something to do with the relationship between mediawiki wikis running 1.19 and Win7 Ultimate 64bit and less to do with our wiki/template.  If that was the case, I could try to isolate the problem and submit a bug report on bugzilla for it to be fixed at the root of the problem.  Can you find any other templates that cause the same issue?  I have copied this discussion to my talk page for any further discussion of the matter there.

ShoeMaker (Contributions • ) 20:26, August 17, 2012 (EDT)


 * The change you made fixed the display issue, evidently that extra space was enough to confuse Internet Explorer. I have access to other web servers running mediawiki if you wish to pursue the issue further, but I think it's safe to consider this fixed, and dedicate resources to other issues.

Joenuts


 * This is why I am the 'template guy'... lol I'm glad we figured it out.

ShoeMaker (Contributions • ) 20:53, August 17, 2012 (EDT)

AWB

 * I entered everything correctly. I double triple checked it because I had issues with another wiki.

ShoeMaker (Contributions • ) 04:39, August 20, 2012 (EDT)

Spellcasting Implement Template
I noticed you had changed the enhancement template for the Swailing Blade on the Update 15 named items from the separate and  templates to the combined  template. It makes sense to me thats how it should be formatted. However, the reason I had been listing it separately is that the template seems to have a bullet point embedded in it that I can't figure out how to get rid of. You can see that it added extra bullet points to the swailing blade description and in this post. Am I missing a way to get rid of that bullet point? Susalona (Contributions • Message) 10:01, August 21, 2012 (EDT)


 * To be honest, I forgot about the bullet... I've added a new option to Template:Enhancement bonus that allows for in-line implement. The different options for the template are now:

Armor ---

Shield ---

Weapon ---

Implement ---

Implement Only ---

In-line Implement ---

ShoeMaker (Contributions • ) 11:01, August 21, 2012 (EDT)

Autoblock

 * Have you been unbanned? It has done no damage to your editing record.  Avoiding the steam interface may be a start, the only other way to not have to worry about it is to meet all of the qualifications of being an administrator, and being voted in...

ShoeMaker (Contributions <span style="text-decoration: blink; color: #FF00AA;">• ) 14:20, August 25, 2012 (EDT)


 * Have you read through the "Welcome" post on your talk page that tells you how to use the wiki and the easy way to format posts using Template:Post quick buttons on the bottom of every edit page in the button section.

ShoeMaker (Contributions <span style="text-decoration: blink; color: #FF00AA;">• ) 18:28, August 25, 2012 (EDT)


 * Thanks for that, I'd not seen that template, makes it a lot easier Spirit (Contributions &bull; Message) 23:56, August 25, 2012 (EDT)

Fully upgraded

 * Tiered items (Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 AND Level 4, Level 8, Level ..., Level 20, Level 21, Level ..., Level 24) are not considered epic as far as the template is concerned... Your first and second points just need some more detail now, I have already unset them as |epic=, you just need to fill in the crafting section and possible location where appropriate... I will make the appropriate adjustments to my "new" template to accommodate for that. As far as number three goes...  No, you can't make it unlinked -- but I probably can make some adjustment so you can and not totally break the thousands of items that expect it to be linked...  Let me think about how I can do that, maybe use a different argument and some #if: statements... Not sure.. I'll play with it an let you know.

ShoeMaker (Contributions <span style="text-decoration: blink; color: #FF00AA;">• ) 07:30, August 27, 2012 (EDT)


 * I'm still kind of undetermined as well as to what now defines "Epic" gear... I would have to say the most important part of this is gear that is created by epic crafting since the whole purpose was to categorize these crafted items... I can make the templates add Category:Epic items to all items min level 20 or higher, if that is what the general consensus is... I just hate to do it because I feel it defeats the original purposes of the category...

ShoeMaker (Contributions <span style="text-decoration: blink; color: #FF00AA;">• ) 10:49, August 27, 2012 (EDT)

Category usage in templates

 * I'm not entirely sure what you mean... puts items into Category:Concentration  +15 items which is a member of Category:Concentration items which is a member of Category:Items by skill change which is a member of Category:Items.

Once the Item: namespace move is complete and the Skills template is modified to work with it (like what I have already done with Template:Absorption && Category:Absorption items), then it will be a very clean category structure. ShoeMaker (Contributions <span style="text-decoration: blink; color: #FF00AA;">• ) 11:48, August 31, 2012 (EDT)


 * I think that is overzealous... Deep Red Ioun Stone should have a Deep Red Ioun Stone (unsuppressed) counterpart already (I know I made it at one point, not sure if it got deleted). Madstone Boots does not, nor do I think it needs one.  The single tier upgradable items from Necro IV and Gianthold for example, I think it showing up in both is just fine... People that look in the categories for a striding +30% item, aren't going to just go farm out that item because it just has that one thing on it, they are going to click on the link for the item to see what else is on it, what the minimum level is, if there are any restrictions on the item, AND in the process of doing so, will very clearly see that it is an item that will need to be upgraded to achieve the Striding +30%.

ShoeMaker (Contributions <span style="text-decoration: blink; color: #FF00AA;">• ) 18:49, August 31, 2012 (EDT)


 * I just don't think I understand what you are looking to accomplish... I think that no matter what, the best way to approach this is modular... Let's get the bulk of them moved to Item: and update all of the templates to accommodate the change THEN we can look at specific cases where more detail or more options may be desired. I think at this point that trying to look at a minority of special cases and trying to one shot the whole problem might be trying to take too big of a bite.  Let's get the modular move, template auto-cat sections completed, clean up the category structure so everything links back the way it should, and create tables outlining all of the items in the category...  Please don't think I am blowing you off, I just want to do this slowly and in small chunks so that the final(ish) outcome is as end-user friendly as possible.

ShoeMaker (Contributions <span style="text-decoration: blink; color: #FF00AA;">• ) 22:02, September 1, 2012 (EDT)

Corruption of Nature

 * What do you want the table to look like?  is right that I am busy with personal matters, but I should be able to make a simple table from my phone.

ShoeMaker (Contributions <span style="text-decoration: blink; color: #FF00AA;">• ) 07:21, September 9, 2012 (EDT) -- From my BlackBerry Curve 9330...
 * Maybe something like: