Talk:Sonic spells

What is a sonic spell?
Looks like an IP editor,, has decided that Wail of the Banshee does not fall into the grouping of  despite it being typed as a sonic spell. I've reverted this change and we can discuss the properties of the spell. I'm curious where the line is on if it is or isn't a sonic spell. Can creatures that can't hear be affected? Do we want the line to be just spells that do sonic damage, our current description doesn't support this. Thoughts? &#x1f45f;&thinsp;ShoeMaker (Contribs&thinsp;•&thinsp;Message&thinsp;•&thinsp;Email )&thinsp;&#x1f45f; 09:15, May 11, 2020 (EDT)

This (Wail of the Banshee) has long been listed as a "sonic" spell (at least in part). Is that inaccurate? Just confirming before removing that {category} tag. &rArr; C-Hound (Contribs • Message • Email ) 00:41, May 11, 2020 (EDT)
 * It is a sonic spell in PnP. Do you have a sorc 18 air savant and check the combat log to see if you're casting wail at higher caster level than non-air spells? I tried googling around ddo forums but did not find an answer. -- &rArr; Cru121 (Contribs • Message • Email ) 02:09, May 11, 2020 (EDT)
 * I found an old alt:
 * https://i.postimg.cc/htWXzsdn/wail-confirmation.png
 * When casting Wail, it does not say the caster level in combat. Ergo, it's cast at the default caster level. Ergo, it is not treated as a sonic spell in DDO. -- &rArr; Cru121 (Contribs • Message • Email ) 02:18, May 11, 2020 (EDT)
 * Just because it doesn't mention a caster level, doesn't mean there isn't one. Caster level affects Spell Penetration. You can test how high the spell pen is. — previous unsignedIcon tooltip.png Please sign posts using ~    comment by Faltout (&thinsp;c&thinsp;&#124; &thinsp;e&thinsp;&#124; &thinsp;d&thinsp; &#124;&thinsp;r&thinsp; &#124;&thinsp;b&thinsp; ) &#32; at 14:00, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
 * (1) It may surprise you that I am indeed aware of the fact that caster level affects spell penetration. I could indeed also test it via dualboxing, but I don't have to, because: (2) You probably have not observed combat logs much. Normally, caster level is not displayed in the combat log. If you have effects that increase your caster level with a particular spell, the combat log will mention this exceptional case with the sentence "You begin to cast xxx at level yyy". -- &rArr; Cru121 (Contribs • Message • Email ) 10:00, May 11, 2020 (EDT)


 * Did a little digging and found some other possibly related stuff/similar situation with Storm of Vengeance which "Conjures a storm with a massive thunderclap, deafening enemies"... That also seems like a "sonic" effect to me if it causes deafness. Possibly we could get a few people together and deafen some creatures with SoV and then see if they're affected by WotB being unable to hear?  Just an idea to test how the system works.  I can also ask  if he can look into it and help us figure out if they're actually considered "sonic" by the game. &rArr; DDOstream (Contribs • Message • Email ) 10:02, May 13, 2020 (EDT)