Talk:Home

Search engine
Would it be possible to add categories to the default search sections? I haven't found where to do this :/ -- Tihocan 14:27, January 27, 2006 (PST)
 * Eh, what do you mean? If I type "spells" into the search box and click "Search", first result "Spells", second result "Category:Spells"... seems to be included..? --Uky 17:59, January 27, 2006 (PST)
 * Hmm, not for me (I don't get Category:Spells). However if I check the 'Category' box at the bottom of the search page, and search again, I get it. Don't really know what's wrong. -- Tihocan 22:10, January 27, 2006 (PST)
 * Oh, I see what it is... the option's in Special:Preferences... you can select Category and Category talk there. Forgot I did that --Uky 22:35, January 27, 2006 (PST)
 * I can also set ones to be default for those who haven't set their prefrences, though doing so is just a bit complicated - as with everything behind-the-scenes on this wiki from the CSS to the icon, this is rather democratic between the users. As long as I don't have an objection (which I obviously don't) then, if you can set up a temporary voting page on meta and get enough votes (I dunno, maybe 7-10?) then I'd gladly change the source to enable it. Hope this helps! 11:26, January 28, 2006 (PST)
 * I think it would be much better to have it by default since most visitors won't create a new account and set their preferences just to be able to search efficiently. I'd like to set up a vote, can you just tell me what is a "temporary voting page on meta"? I searched for 'vote', 'voting' and 'meta' on the wiki and couldn't find anything related :/ -- Tihocan 08:26, January 29, 2006 (PST)
 * There is so much do to - SilverSide hasn't had time to get everything working behind-the-scenes and on top of that get policy pages, help pages, explanations, and all that jazz online; and on top of that, she's decided to leave the project. Anyway, I'm in charge of policy, editing, help, making things look good and accessible and all that shitazz here, *bows* *bows* *bows to the left* *bows to the right* phew that was a lot of bowing - anyway, yes: Meta is the name for the central 'Metawiki', as in, the wiki about other wikis - it's here en.enterwiki.ws... and a voting page is just that, a page that says 'vote here' on it. I'll make you up one at enter:Change the search categories! (yes, prefixing a link with 'enter:' will point it to the enterwiki it's called an interwiki link) Anyway thats it for me now got some other stuff to do, have a nice day and all that jazz! (-; 12:52, January 29, 2006 (PST)

--> Vote page added here. Note that I understand there is a lot to do, and I'm of course not demanding that it'd be done immediately. Just that it should be something to fix in the future. Thanks for the explanation. -- Tihocan 18:35, January 29, 2006 (PST)


 * Since we're in the middle of the move and upgrade, changes would be easy to make. If you have more instructions on this, or other changes to the backend you want made, please ask now, thanks. 12:24, February 22, 2006 (EST)


 * Apart from searching within categories by default, I have another request completely unrelated. Is it possible to change the site skin? (maybe in the user preferences? I'll check that later...). There is no way I can work on a website with a white background. Tihocan 14:02, February 22, 2006 (EST)

Site Design
Been playing around with the user/monobook.css thing, nice thing to have since the default color scheme hurts my eyes. Problem is I've been running into hardcoded styles, like the color scheme that makes up the front page... any chance we could try an effort to ditch hardcoded colors? >_>;

Oh, and I reversed the order of the topics... even when organized with the == 's if the page gets too long, you have to scroll way past all the stuff you're no longer talking about.. IMO a convention to place new discussions above inactive ones would be a good idea..? --Uky 01:55, January 27, 2006 (PST)


 * I will leave the convo order as it is for now, but standard is always by date so somebody can jump right in to the comverstaion. The point is that things are archived as time goes on - this page is nowhere near archival time yet, I'm afraid. About the main page and CSS, please do not use the CSS to change the site design for yourself or the colorization. If something is guady or unattractive to you, start a vote on it - if enough vote for a change to the CSS, then I will gladly change it. This was going to be temporary, but the design I was planning just won't work in Internet Explorer, and 82%-94% of our hits (depending on which wiki) are based from IE. About the main page and such, same goes as for actual CSS - if it's ugle, change the CSS don't change your display of it - that way it's un-ugly for everyone! Please, this way your edits are best for all the visitors - if you see it as they see it, then you'll have an easier time telling what looks good to them! 02:10, January 27, 2006 (PST)
 * Ugly's up to opinion... but I really don't care if anyone else agrees with me.. personally I have minor color-deficit vision and I tend gravitate towards needing more contrast than most... Seriously, the site's a pain to look at for me... I don't really see what that has to do with people with normal vision though. Why shouldn't I use the already existing feature of user CSS to tweak things to my liking? It doesn't hurt others much... except for asking for less hardcoded dependancies... that's a good thing in the long run anyways if you ever want to offer selectable different themes for users to choose from for the site. ;p --Uky 02:20, January 27, 2006 (PST)
 * Oh, and besides... a lot of my issues are with -redundant- styles... for instance a bunch of pages hardcode their table's background color to #444... yet the default css for the site already sets tables to #444. If those hardcoded entries were removed... normal users shouldn't experience a change, but I'd be able to properly adjust my colors... --Uky 02:23, January 27, 2006 (PST)
 * I didn't understand you were colorblind; and I don't understand why you are asking all this if you are. If I understand right, the issue at heart here is that you want to start migrating color commands in css to CSS classes, then why not *DO* so then ask an admin to change the CSS to include some default styles? This is a wiki... make changes, ask questions later kinda dealie... 02:28, January 27, 2006 (PST)
 * The main css, /skins/monobook/main.css isn't editable so in the end it'd just be bruteforcingly trying to counteract it at every corner... rather annoying task.. which is why I was just sort've asking the DDOwiki community as a whole if they'd hold back on hardcoded colors... --Uky 02:42, January 27, 2006 (PST)
 * What do you mean it isn't editable? Takes me two clicks to edit it... point is, if you wish to start a classing initiative, then do so. I can't use classes instead of raw at this point because there are no classes set up - I will do that later. Signing off,  02:45, January 27, 2006 (PST)
 * I don't see an edit box... are you sure that's not an admin only thing? oO --Uky 02:47, January 27, 2006 (PST)
 * --> Yes it's an admin thing; point is, if you can get something together, I'll upload whatever changes you need done as long as they seem fine - even if I dislike 'em, if you can get enough votes (7+ for CSS changes) I'll change it anyway. 02:50, January 27, 2006 (PST)
 * Fair enough... I'll play around with some organizational plans to class/id the site up, and try to make that css page clearer to understand.. yeech --Uky 03:10, January 27, 2006 (PST)
 * Hmm, don't suppose there's a list of additions Enterwiki's monobook.css has that the standard from wikimedia doesn't? Not changed parameters but extra entries assigned to things. I noticed trying to play around with the default monobook from wikimedia (that's actually commented <3), most but not all elements were adjusted.. :O I'll just hunt the changes down one at a time if I have to, but... might as well check that it's not documented somewhere..? --Uky 03:54, January 27, 2006 (PST)
 * Try, perhaps, the site CSS page - as I have said multiple times, on this page even, everything is available to you - no source is restricted: http://en.enterwiki.ws/skins/monobook/main.css - (-: 11:28, January 28, 2006 (PST)
 * I know that's there, I've looked at it... but it's not commented and it varies a little bit from the commented default monobook.css at wikimedia. ;p
 * I know that's there, I've looked at it... but it's not commented and it varies a little bit from the commented default monobook.css at wikimedia. ;p


 * On a similar note, it seems the preview page for user/monobook.css is acting up? oO --Uky 16:55, January 28, 2006 (PST)
 * I don't think you should be able to preview changes to the CSS page - just save, and change again if necessary.
 * Well you used to be able to... it only seemed to stop working about when you re-enabled anonymous editting. --Uky 20:56, January 28, 2006 (PST)
 * Might have been one of the many changes I made when I fixed that for her - it works now.  20:41, January 29, 2006 (PST)
 * Ah, so it does. Much obliged. --Uky 23:59, January 29, 2006 (PST)


 * Ok, all this should be taken care of. What do you think? Remember, the front page should look fine as I fiddled with things FOREVER to make it all look right, but beyond that any page is likely to have uglyified content - I have only finished about 20% of the CSS file as of right now, even though the site is back online. Any thoughts on the new design? 12:26, February 22, 2006 (EST)

Monsters orginization
How is the monster section going to be organized? all 3 links seem very similar... --Tarod Jan 31, 2006
 * Was just what I saw - I don't even know if the monsters aingame are categorized like this, was just an assumption from other MMOs I've played. 08:53, January 31, 2006 (PST)


 * Well monsters in PnP DND are kinda sorted like that, maybe we could have one link with a defination and shared qualities (DND has those for example all undead are healed by negitive energy) and one link with a list of monsters--Tarod 08:58, January 31, 2006 (PST)


 * offical types list for the pnp version aberration, animal, construct, dragon, elemental, fey, giant, humanoid, magical beast, monstrous humanoid, ooze, outsider, plant, undead, and vermin. there ya go.  --Tarod 09:04, January 31, 2006 (PST)
 * Almost forgot, It's very important to have them sorted right due to the way that rangers favored enemy bonus works--Tarod 09:33, January 31, 2006 (PST)
 * Well, I dunno - go fix it! 12:22, January 31, 2006 (PST)
 * Working on it, Still new to the wiki bit. Don't want to horribly break it. I did add the missing ones tho. --Tarod 22:27, January 31, 2006 (PST)
 * You can't break a wiki (-: 22:36, January 31, 2006 (PST)

News
So how's adding news to the wiki work now? I'm hoping it's not individually making each page and linking it, unlike the old way of just adding a cat:news line... --Uky 18:08, February 5, 2006 (PST)


 * I'm not sure how I'll work game news at this point - but site news I got working fine, globally. Edit Enter:Current events and it'll automagically change everywhere. 18:12, February 5, 2006 (PST)

Compatability
Not sure if this is known, but when I load the main page in IE (v6.0+), it's totally trashed - the ads and navigation boxes are over top of the main page text, which extends to both sides of the page. I didn't remember it being like this before. I'm mainly a Firefox user, so I'm not sure when this happened. Dedridd 11:42, February 14, 2006 (PST)


 * Yes, someone reported it on the DDO forums. I advised Peer on his Enterwiki user talk (not sure if he answered already) -- Tihocan 11:50, February 14, 2006 (PST)

yeah it is a mess. Looking up at the logo in the top left, I see what appears to be the closing portion of a comment block. -- ArgleBargle 15:43, February 14, 2006 (PST)

Locations pane
The line for MP/Readers/Game info 2 (which contained all the locations and quest dungeons in the bottom right pane) was commented out from the home page. Was it causing a problem (with the ads, perhaps)? Do we need to find a new way to link that information onto the front page? Dedridd 11:14, February 22, 2006 (EST)


 * There will be a Browse portal that is meant to be what the main page was mistakenly made to be. The main page is for news and helping first-comers understand what is going on. From here, also, some heading links to main areas are appropriate, but the Browse portal is meant to be more of a one-click source for ANYTHING. Make sense? 12:31, February 22, 2006 (EST)


 * Sure. Just wanted to make sure the change was intentional and not a side-effect of the fast-paced work of relocating, especially since no replacement for it had appeared yet and nothing was said about it. Thanks for providing info to clear it up. Dedridd 12:40, February 22, 2006 (EST)

Suggestion for credibility
(Sent to Tihocan by Ildiko on the DDO forums)

There are a number of prominent forum members who are hesitant about the info in the Wiki currently, and are vocal about its inaccuracies. I'd like to propose a program to help win the trust of DDOWiki vistors.

I call the program VIGaS!, which stands for Verified In-Game and Signed. As registered members edit a page, they may add the VIGaS tage at the end of an article, or element. This signifies that the info in that article or element has been checked by that member, and they are signing for its accuracy. The VIGaS "brand" could be just a wiki page link and signature - VIGaSTihocan 10:55, February 24, 2006 (EST). Or is might be an icon that links back to the VIGaS wiki page.

The signature ensures that if people fake verification, we know who they are, while building trust in those members signing legitimately.

All of us who contribute to DDOWiki know that it is not 100% accurate, and we all work to make it that way. This program gives the whole site additional credibility with the naysayers and demonstrates our commitment to providing the best and most accurate information.


 * There is already the template for numbers, but I agree it may not be enough. It's true that too many people have a bad opinion of the Wiki because there is some false information on it. This VIGaS idea sounds like a good one to me. However something just like Verified (with some specific formatting) may be more intuitive for casual visitors. I'm also not sure where we should put this. For instance having one tag for each spell in a list would make the list hard to read. Maybe we could actually just use the  template, and modify its formatting (e.g. slightly different colour) to highlight verified information? Opinions welcome. Tihocan 10:55, February 24, 2006 (EST)


 * I'd just say wait. We have a page verification/voting system going up in a bit, but no time to implement it now... was supposed to go up with 2.0, but we may have to implement it with 1.2 instead, I don't know. 12:14, February 24, 2006 (EST)