User talk:Cru121

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someday...
I'd like to make Epic Destiny Feats a single nice sortable table. Sort by ML, sort by ED spheres, etc. Here's a draft, struggling with ugly popups in headers. Perhaps eventually convert to a new set of templates.

Reaper Bonus
Cru, I have multiple items with ReaperMRR and ReaperPRR on them, and when I equip more than one at a time I only get the 3 PRR or the 3 MRR. They do not stack. -- &rArr; Niminae (Contribs • Message • Email ) 23:04, June 4, 2018 (EDT)
 * Well I have just tested stacking on a few items and it seemed to work. What I have discovered during my tests is that one piece of Paramnesial Lenses has Reaper Power Boost on em but it does not increase my powers AT ALL. So perhaps the bug is not stacking, but that some items fail to provide their bonuses in general. -- &rArr; Cru121 (Contribs • Message • Email ) 00:56, June 5, 2018 (EDT)
 * Well that's bizarre. All I can say is that I've had two items with a ReaperMRR bonus on and only seen a single +3 applied.  Thus my conclusion that this was not a typed bonus.  I've just ERed but next time I hit 28 I'll do a careful "try on" session and record my results.  -- &rArr; Niminae (Contribs • Message • Email ) 08:42, June 5, 2018 (EDT)

Merging new templates into templates being deprecated
I see you added Psychic Ward into Immunity and deleted Psychic Ward, but I'm unclear as to why. I thought we were trying to make the templating system more simplified and easier to remember/figure out by reducing or deprecating templates like MiscEffects, Dmg, Immunity, etc to be only the base of what they need to be? I asked in too, but you're not currently on. FTR... I'm not complaining and yes it was my opinion that they should all be merged into meta templates in 2013 as well, but we've seen a lot of new effects introduced since then and most of the old effects these templates were created for have been updated/modified and no longer exist or only exist on historic version of items no longer acquirable. If you think this discussion would be better in it's own page, I'm okay with you Moveding this message and continuing discussion there, just drop a Ppoi on my talk of the new location. Thanks. &#x1f45f;&thinsp;ShoeMaker (Contribs&thinsp;•&thinsp;Message&thinsp;•&thinsp;Email )&thinsp;&#x1f45f; 12:13, July 20, 2018 (EDT)


 * I don't have a strong opinion, if you would prefer having it a separate template, go ahead. I just thought that it would fit there nicely. And I suspect this will be a fairly rare effect. Not sure if creating a separate template for one or two items makes stuff easier for casual editor. Dunno. -- &rArr; Cru121 (Contribs • &uArr; top &uArr; • Email ) 13:04, July 20, 2018 (EDT)

CRs
Cru, thanks for the assist in deleting the old typo giant page. That should teach me to stop wiki-ing at 5AM before the 4th coffee. =) -- &rArr; Ringmaster
 * Actually I moved the page to Frost_Giant_Hetman, I assume that was your intention. Mmmm, coffee. -- &rArr; Cru121 (Contribs • &uArr; top &uArr; • Email ) 14:50, August 28, 2018 (EDT)

Users want to thank you
That's right, you deserve your own topic section where we (collective users) get to keep coming back to tell you how much we appreciate your feedback. If you don't like the goodwill clutter on your page, go ahead and take it off. If it were up to me, I'd be sticking something like a Gold Star on your report card.
 * Re: category link... wow, that was easy... if I showed you my ridiculous attempts at naming the path of information you'd die laughing. I was trying to reinvent the wheel and it involved dancing chickens and virgin sacrifices. It was easy to find the chickens. &rArr; meander (Contribs • Message • Email ) 16:19, August 30, 2018 (EDT)
 * Glad I could help! :) &rArr; Cru121 (Contribs • &uArr; top &uArr; • Email ) 00:41, August 31, 2018 (EDT)

Cosmetic listings
I'm working on creating what you suggested here: User talk:DDOstream Check my SandBox: User:Faltout/SandBox I believe I managed to collect all the cloak images (but it's hard to be sure). The only thing remaining now is how to display the information. You said something about a gallery? Can you show me an example with 2 or 3 cloak images? &rArr; Faltout (Contribs • Message • Email ) 09:13, November 17, 2018 (EST)
 * Maybe something like this: User_talk:Cru121? -- &rArr; Cru121 (Contribs • &uArr; top &uArr; • Email ) 09:48, November 17, 2018 (EST)
 * Added some line breaks between the cloak names. So you want the quest/chest information gone? Because it would be too much to fit in a single image. Perhaps a popup? &rArr; Faltout (Contribs • Message • Email ) 07:27, November 18, 2018 (EST)
 * Yeah, basically the page should only show pics and popup can show any details needed.-- &rArr; Cru121 (Contribs • &uArr; top &uArr; • Email ) 07:30, November 18, 2018 (EST)
 * Check how the popups look. To be clear, you want the information of "Where the item drops" gone? Just list the items? If so, the names of the items could fit in the image if we made them a bit larger. &rArr; Faltout (Contribs • Message • Email ) 08:16, November 18, 2018 (EST)
 * If we can fit it in, let's add it. If we can't fit it in, readers can still find the location on the item page. -- &rArr; Cru121 (Contribs • &uArr; top &uArr; • Email ) 12:56, November 18, 2018 (EST)
 * It doesn't seem like it can fit. I don't like the popups above because they hide other images (popup from 2nd image hides 1st). I tried to make the names of the items a popup with the quest in it, but the popup is limited to the space of the image (if the popup tries to be outside of the image, it is cropped) which means that the popup is unreadable. I guess it's just the names of the items. Check my User:Faltout/SandBox again. I increased the heights to 450px to try to fit the names of the items in one line, but some names are so big (or some images are so narrow) that they wrap. It's just a few names though and I find it acceptable. If you like the current result I can start working on getting the templates out of my sandbox. &rArr; Faltout (Contribs • Message • Email ) 14:03, November 18, 2018 (EST)
 * In general I like it. The pics are a bit too large for my taste, but I understand that was necessary to fit in the captions. If I am reading this correctly, it should be possible to apply CSS style to captions. Would this allow us to make them smaller / not bold / narrow somehow? We probably would have to use the gallery tag directly instead of the template (?) -- &rArr; Cru121 (Contribs • &uArr; top &uArr; • Email ) 14:14, November 18, 2018 (EST)
 * The captions are the standard text size. We can make them smaller, sure (much much smaller). However, the users would have trouble reading them. Check some bolded sizes: Medium size, Small size , Extra small size , Extra extra small size , Custom 7px size . If you feel we can go from the sandard size to small or extra small without sacrificing readability, I'm all for it. I'll edit an image above to showcase some sizes. &rArr; Faltout (Contribs • Message • Email ) 14:32, November 18, 2018 (EST)
 * I would say go down to font size 12, or maybe also not bold. --cru121
 * Font-size reduced. Bold removed. Image height reduced to 400 from 450. Check my sandbox again. More names now wrap, but still not enough to be significant. &rArr; Faltout (Contribs • Message • Email ) 14:53, November 19, 2018 (EST)
 * Just fine imho. -- &rArr; Cru121 (Contribs • &uArr; top &uArr; • Email ) 16:21, November 19, 2018 (EST)


 * I think those images are way too large making the page way too long. Please trim the size back to 300px tall or less.  Don't need to have the names at all, just update the links (using the alt) for the images to take the person to the item instead of having a popup of the name (that doesn't show on mobile because there is no hover) that people have to click on. &rArr; DDOstream (Contribs • Message • Email ) 10:14, November 21, 2018 (EST)
 * I don't understand what you are suggesting. allows you to show a default image in case the correct image can't be loaded. How would that help to display the links to a dozen items in one image? As for mobile, the wiki doesn't work well for mobile anyway. Popups do work (tap, hold and swipe), but elements all over the wiki are not optimized for mobile. &rArr; Faltout (Contribs • Message • Email ) 13:05, November 21, 2018 (EST)

Just a heads up that when the item page has " |pic = ", the Nopic template can't function correctly inside the cosmetic DPL and we end up with the image but not the pages where it comes from. I removed this Nopic from a cloak, but as far as I can tell, all the new items that Tech13 entered have it and it. I would suggest removing Nopic from all the pages and placing it internally in the Named item template. &rArr; Faltout (Contribs • Message • Email ) 07:42, November 30, 2019 (EST)

Categorization issues
Hi, could you please take a look at the changes happening in Template:Quest, Template:MissionInfoBox and Template:History? As I describe here: Template talk:Quest, the changes to the categories applied by the templates and specifically making the different categorizations the same, have made it much harder to automatically pull quests and calculate favor. To elaborate, in order to calculate the total favor of a patron faction, I would need to change the DPL templates and add extra parameters from all the pages that use them to filter out the unwanted pages. This would also add extra load on the wiki parser. For the moment -and because I hope that the changes will get reverted- the patron pages (for example The Twelve) and the Favor page do not have quest lists or favor totals because of the category change. As for Template:History, removing the pages from Category:History and placing them in subcategories has made filtering out historical pages from DPL lists harder or even impossible (because it depends on the choices of the user that places the history template). Thanks. &rArr; Faltout (Contribs • Message • Email ) 14:23, July 26, 2020 (EDT)
 * As you know, arguing is hard. What kind of historical DPL stuff do you think will be affected? Looks like all items should land in C:Historical items; what else is there with DPL impact? Maybe we can go through various history stuff and make sure that the subcategorization is something that we can work with, and then someone fixes the DPL stuff to add the new categories. Maybe improve the usage of T:History to include a list of subjects so that people don't get too creative. Regarding that other thing, I replied on template talk quest, let's see how it works. &rArr; Cru121 (Contribs • &uArr; top &uArr; • Email ) 02:33, July 27, 2020 (EDT)
 * I do not have an exact list of pages that would be affected. Guide to Free to Play has been affected. The list for the Coin Lords would have also been affected if they were not gone. Level 1 quests would have been affected if the quest template did not check for an undocumented history parameter before applying the level categories. Those are fixable if I exclude the following categories "Category:History" (for pages that did not have the "type" parameter set), "Category:Historical quests" (which is a subcategory of "Category:Monsters by quest") and "Category:Historical Quests" (because the one that applied the history template chose to capitalize the first letter of "Quest"). However, what about the future? Let's say someone wants the "type" parameter of the history template to be "tutorial quest" or "journal entry" or "bugged quest" or whatever. We would then need to exclude those new categories as well and to do that, we would need to add the exclusion to each page that wants to exclude them because the template is designed to be able to be used for history quests so we couldn't exclude everything there. As for items, while Template:Named items category allows the use of "notcategory" (which I see you added), none of the pages even exclude history items. If they were, you would need to exclude "Category:History", "Category:Historical items", "Category:Historical Items", "Category:Historical itemss", "Category:Historical reward items", "Category:Historical epic itemss". Frankly, given that those things are not present in the game anymore, I don't see why would anyone need those categories. Having everything under one category makes it easy to filter everything out now and in the future. Even if someone wants to have those categories, my proposal (and edit) that got reverted was to have everything under Category:History AND any subcategories. &rArr; Faltout (Contribs • Message • Email ) 05:56, July 27, 2020 (EDT)
 * How has Guide to Free to Play been affected? Level 1 quests is not affected, if your complaint is there are some new undocumented parameters... Document them, or wait until a couple day after they're created to complain. When a parameter is added, it's a good idea to wait 2-7 days to make sure the change fully propagates through the job queue before documenting to make sure bugs are ironed out first.    is a subcategory of , as should be  ,  , etc...  If we see things like   we can either just go to the pages listed and fix the parameter input OR we can wrap the parameter in the template with a   to force it lower case (which I've  as it seems like a logical solution).  It's not a hard fix... As far as  ,  ,  , etc go, it'll be up to us to decide if they're valid or not and add them as sub-categories of the appropriate sub-category of  or just change the parameter to be correct.
 * As for items, are you complaining that Named items category doesn't exclude history or lamannia only items? If so, we can certainly fix that.  They only need to exclude, as that is the only valid name.  If there are errors in the template parameter inputs, we'll fix that when we see them show up in Special:WantedCategories.  Having everything under a single umbrella of "C:History" makes it impossible to filter out a specific historical thing from a list of other historical things.  Everything in sub-categories doesn't need to be redundantly placed in the parent.  If you really want to filter your way, just use : " If you put a "*" before the name of a category, DPL will add all DIRECT subcategories of that category to your statement. Using TWO asterisks ("**") will extend the tree search to two levels. This provides some minimal support for hierarchies of categories. " and it will filter everything in History two sub-categories deep...  &#x1f45f;&thinsp;ShoeMaker (Contribs&thinsp;•&thinsp;Message&thinsp;•&thinsp;Email )&thinsp;&#x1f45f; 09:11, July 27, 2020 (EDT)
 * does not work. This only works on the  parameter. As for the other things, I believe I've covered everything in my post above. &rArr; Faltout (Contribs • Message • Email ) 11:00, July 27, 2020 (EDT)
 * The documentation says it should work as "notcategory 	Much like the category parameter, but requires that every page listed not be in a particular category."... /shrug I've been using the existing (maybe undocumented) parameters to filter things out, and I seem to be having no issue with that.  Just curious, why did this discussion end up on Cru121's talk page instead of the more appropriate DDOt:AN?  &#x1f45f;&thinsp;ShoeMaker (Contribs&thinsp;•&thinsp;Message&thinsp;•&thinsp;Email )&thinsp;&#x1f45f; 08:56, July 29, 2020 (EDT)

unwarranted deletions
Cru121 needs to learn not to make unwarranted deletions and justify them by claiming it was spam or vandalism, then quickly deleting so as to remove the proof that it was neither spam nor vandalism, and if fact was just something Cru121 didn't like personally.

Show some integrity.