User talk:Pirho420

Getting rid of red link -- koolkat 11:39, January 30, 2006 (PST)

A title because it needs one.
Haha, you're a genius for creating the V, S, and M pages, and redirecting them to Verbal, Somatic, and Material component pages. I was visiting to every spell page and changing the links for V, S, and M to point to the full-worded versions. I guess I'm still adjusting to wiki-ness. Thanks, you saved me a ton of edits! Dedridd 07:42, February 9, 2006 (PST)
 * Not a genius  just lazy.  I try to do the simplest solution to every problem.  Maybe you see now how I envisioned the spell lists coming together.  I mean theres no real reason for having to type verbal component when you can just cut and paste the v in and just link it.  I still dont know quite how these categories work yet and I am forgetting stuff here that is DDO specific, but I think that there is enough crossover that I can do the DNDwiki and the DDOwiki at the same time and save everyone a bunch of work.  We could even have brd 2 redirect to the full bard spell list if you want.  Theres always the category link at the bottom of the page that does that as well so I figured brd 2 redirecting to the second level spells was something worthwile. --  koolkat 08:10, February 9, 2006 (PST)


 * Well, the only reason I thought of for changing them was to un-abbreviate, in case people didn't know what V stood for. It's better now that they're linked up! Dedridd 08:14, February 9, 2006 (PST)


 * I forgot to mention, going just to a list of the spells would be ok if there's a category list at the bottom of that 2nd level spell page to get them to the full list so that they don't get stranded there. I would imagine it would be beneficial to put each spell-level list in a template though, so users didn't have to worry about updating both places if something changes. Dedridd 08:20, February 9, 2006 (PST)


 * Seems like thiocan doesnt like my idea so Ill just make all of those redirect to the category anyways once I get around to it. -- koolkat 09:48, February 9, 2006 (PST)


 * You're talking about copy / pasting spell lists? Yes, I don't think it's a good thing, as people are going to update one list and forget the other. If we can put everything in one single place it is much much better. -- Tihocan 10:00, February 9, 2006 (PST)


 * Yeah I was worried about that, but I didnt know how else to generate a list of only level 2 spells from one class without doing a copy and paste. Is it possible?  Note I would like it to look like the summaries and not like a category page. -- koolkat 11:34, February 9, 2006 (PST)

--> Two ways to do it: one, use the 'anchors' to redirect right to the part of the page that has that level of spells you're looking for. Tihocan showed me how to do it, and I used it on the Cause fear spell page, for the levels. If you're really set against that kind of solution, you could put the list of spells in a template, and then use that template both on the complete list page as well as the page that has just the level 2 spells. An example of this is the Weapon Focus page and the Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning page that both use Template:Weapon Focus Bludgeoning List. Dedridd 11:48, February 9, 2006 (PST)
 * Thats perfect. I'll switch DNDwiki over to that and then maybe switch this over as well depending on what other people think.  Thanks for your help I didnt think of suing a template like that.  -- koolkat 12:04, February 9, 2006 (PST)


 * The only disadvantage of doing it the template way is that it can be confusing for new users to figure out where the data is when they want to edit the info they can see on the page. Dedridd 13:12, February 9, 2006 (PST)


 * Created Category:Level 1 for all that base stuff, unless thats what you mean by base. Big Gino 15:24, February 10, 2006 (PST)


 * Not sure if it should be there. Afterall leather +1 is a level 1 item as well, but it is enchanted leather armor.  I could also see cross referencing somehow all of the leather armors in the game on the leather armor page, butprobably in the leather armor category instead that way we dont have to make the page :P -- koolkat 15:27, February 10, 2006 (PST)


 * Ok, when i get a chance gonna go put all that quested stuff thats lvl 1 in cat lvl 1. We can realy get crazy and have cat armor, cat heavy armor, cat full plate and so on to sort like that.  Same for weapons, slashing weapons, 1 handed weapons and longsword.  thats alot of work, but if we get it set up now it will be easier to put the new stuff in as we get it.  Big Gino 15:34, February 10, 2006 (PST)


 * Man I didnt even think of one handed versus two handed.  I think that isnt a big deal.  I would just do like we did with the weapons so far.  Categorize them into the three types (because weapons focus is in those three types and also into the specific weapon, like dagger longsword mace for example. I am going to see if we can automatically add that to the template so everything happens at once.  -- koolkat 16:14, February 10, 2006 (PST)


 * Awesome as long as you dont like to the weapon type It is all set up. If you fill in the template it automatically categorizes it. Right now it will categorize each weapon and put it in category of weapon minimum level damage class and weapon type -- koolkat 16:22, February 10, 2006 (PST)


 * Is that going to work if it has 2 types like slash and magic. Or will it automaticaly start a new category which slash and magic Big Gino 16:26, February 10, 2006 (PST)


 * It takes the slash from the weapon class, and the specific from the weapon type so as long as the class is "slashing weapon" and the type is "dagger" for example it will put everything in the correct category, as long as the level is a single number and not level number then everything should work out fine. -- koolkat 16:38, February 10, 2006 (PST)


 * Sigh* can't believe I didn't notice this page developing and nip it in the bud. Ok, removing indents, this is still my reply below:

Here's a list of the correct answers...
 * For the spell lists pages, I now see where PiRho was getting his weird system lol - it's all fixed up right over a DNDwiki now, I just completely corrected the Druid and, I think Bard perhaps spell lists and links. You can as pirho found out the hard way, you can pull any page like a template, it doesn't have to be a page name like Template:This and that (which you would just pull with ). Instead, sometimes it is easier to pull a normal page, like This and that (no template namespace, see?) - that's as easy as typing  - notice the colon right after the opening curly brackets. So, the lists have been converted. Secondly, you might want some text on the Drd 1 page that you DON'T want on the Druid spell list page - so, just, on the Drd 1 page, put said text in no include tags just like that! Then it will appear when someone is viewing Drd 1, but not when somebody is viewing Druid spell list. Just so I don't have to get frustrated and tell you later, a  tag is also available.
 * Anchors don't redirect. Period. Well, at least, yet - even not fixed on WikiPedia itself yet. Poor sops aint got xevo, so I'm sure we'll have it soon enough, and long before wikipedia - just have to wait a bit. Anyway, yah, no go for #Redirect Page name, sorry.
 * Categories should be placed for EVERYTHING you can think of. My goal is for users to be able to browse complete from the category system if they want. However, they should also be as collapsed as possible - a page about oranges would NOT go in Category:Orange colored things, Category:Fruits, and Category:Spherical things - instead, it would go in a category Category:Spherical orange fruits - then THAT page, the Category:Spherical orange fruits page ITSELF, would go in the aforementioned three categories. Make sense? Then, all 4 categories mentioned above will appear on the wiki page for that item. *Sigh* I need to host like lessons or something I am getting tired of explaining all this.
 * More later, maybe. Damn we need a FAQ page. 17:34, February 10, 2006 (PST)

New category stuff
So it seems to me that you are overcomplicating things. So if we were to make a page about oranges we would put it in a new category and then put that category into three mother categories. Isn't it simpler to put all of the qualities of a fruit in a category and then you would have one less page per fruit. So if I wanted to create a papaya it would be in category orange category oblong and category fruit. That way in category orange and category fruit it shows up, but not in category spherical. I am just trying to organize things how they would exist in my mind in a way that I could find them easiest. I started with the spells and now I am working on the items in DDO. (well I really need to finish the spells first I think) -- koolkat 21:42, February 10, 2006 (PST)


 * Nope. No time to explain reasons now - watch the categorization policy page for updates, I'll post the exact reasoning later, I promise. Just right now at a party and no time to really explain it, sorry - trust me? I would hope you can trust that I know what I am doing, been using and perfecting the wiki system for 4 years. In short, it's to make browsing and finding stuff easier for the end-user. We've had numerous comments about how hard it is to navigate through the site, two people have separately even said that it makes the information useless if you can't find it quick enough. 21:54, February 10, 2006 (PST)


 * I do think you have an idea for organization, but I also think I have a different idea for organization. I have never worked with a wiki before, but I have played D&D for longer than you have existed.  I have most of the rules already organized in my head, and am just applying that to the wiki.  I would find my personal categorization system easy to use, and probably find yours very convaluted.  If you give me a nice logical reason of why your system is better then I will immediately switch (once I know what this imaginary system that I am just supposed to magically know without being told) to your system.  -- koolkat 07:24, February 11, 2006 (PST)


 * I have 3.5 minutes of battery left on this computer. Point is, I am the admin (damn it I hate to have to play this card) and I respectfully ask that you respect my wishes and know that this organizational system is easier for newcomers to read- and that is what is the most important. All we are doing is adding multiple levels of categorization, DMOZ-style, instead of a completely flat categorization system. Make any sense? I hope so. Battery dead bye. 17:49, February 11, 2006 (PST)


 * I know you provided a fruit example, but maybe a more in-depth one when you get a chance would help us all understand your design, Peerless, and be able to follow it. Dedridd 18:55, February 11, 2006 (PST)


 * I have no idea what DMOZ style is. If you explain it and it makes sense thenall is good and I will start doing it that way.  If you explain it and it makes no sense, well then I will do it because you are the "admin" and I am a lowly worker bee.  I just need to know HOW to do it and also a WHY it is good.  I dont see how having a specific category for every item helps anyone find anything.  I mean if we are going to be so specific as to make a round orange fruit category, and then put it in a round category an orange category and a fruit category.  If you want mutiple levels then why not say an item category as a branch, and then have that branch into weapon armor shield and misc.  Then for example split the weapon off into dagger sword and every weapon.  -- koolkat 18:57, February 11, 2006 (PST)