Talk:Cannith Crafting

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-- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 23:13, August 18, 2016 (EDT) -- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 14:39, August 25, 2016 (EDT) Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 19:52, September 1, 2016 (EDT) NoWorries Extra effects are only for ML10+, this is true of Random Loot and Crafted Loot.-- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 19:55, September 1, 2016 (EDT)
 * Thanks to all who edit this page! It seems that I missed some effects: Universal Spell Focus (at all), Amplification (on armor), and maybe more. So, I will recheck data from section (Effects by slot by item, Shard cost, Missing enchantments, New collectables, Effects by slot) when non-scalable effect appears, and CC appears on Live. UL (Contribs • Message • Email ) 03:03, August 16, 2016 (EDT)
 * Deathblock is now live. Non-scaling - Suffix, and can be slotted into light/medium/heavy armor, clothing docent, and off hand weapon/shield. Bound: level 1, 10 essences 15 amber vials, and 5 vials of pure water; Unbound: level 150, 300 essences, 2 amber vials, 10 vials of pure water, 2 pale creepers, 2 Purified Eberron Dragonshard Fragments.
 * Modified the Scaling & Non-Scaling shard tables to, hopefully, be more legible. Previously the bound/unbound information was mixed making it difficult to read clearly. The new organizing principle is that all the bound and unbound information is grouped.  Furthermore, the collectible counts and their names are separated because we need a count for bound and unbound individually but the types of collectibles remain constant between bound/unbound.  Finally, I will note there were a few instances where the typical unbound value of 30 common collectibles for unbound shards was a 3, I left these as-is since I was unable to confirm them but I believe they should be 30 as well.  The data that was previously there should remain unchanged, only the format has changed (I wrote a script to edit it rather than doing it by hand). Sqrlmonger (Contribs • Message • Email )
 * So, this change broke the script for grab data into CC Planer. I need to rewrite it... "difficult to read clearly": As for me, older format were more comfortable to read. "Unbound shards was a 3" - look at the CC level of these shards. Maybe, this will fix in future. You also can look in "Scaling shards" unbound ingredient 1. There are 3 shard with "15" not "30". UL (Contribs • Message • Email ) 01:11, August 27, 2016 (EDT)
 * How does the new CC handle augment slotted gear? Is there still an artificial minimum level bump caused by the slot(s)? Should include this in this page -- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 12:52, August 24, 2016 (EDT)
 * I disjuncted a piece of equipment with a slotted augment, augment was NOT destroyed. YMMV - and might not be WAI. -- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 12:52, August 24, 2016 (EDT)
 * Cordovan disjuncted a slotted piece of gear and it became ml:2 (livestream today)-- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 12:52, August 24, 2016 (EDT)
 * Cordovan just took an item with a red slot and dissolved it to a blank with a red slot, it showed ml2; then he applied a ml:1 shard to the blank it became ml:1 -- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 12:56, August 24, 2016 (EDT)
 * Can exchange existing dissolvers for new dissolver - was in last build. -- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 12:56, August 24, 2016 (EDT)
 * Remote Item Deconstruction needs to be updated (if still in)
 * Mark of the Silver Flame / Mark of the Yugoloth - are these still used in the updated cannith crafting?
 * Currently, no.
 * They will be used for non-scaling effects.
 * They have been added and this page accurately reflects their use ✅ -- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 16:29, August 31, 2016 (EDT)
 * Smithy Alliance?
 * Maybe need a short section concerning the conversion - [] - what happens to existing gear / shards / etc.

Effects and item slots
Table 1
 * Note: It's not possible to add extra to items with min level <=8. For create low level item you need next: 1) apply shard of minimal level 10+ 2) add extra slot 3) deconstruct this item 4) apply low level shard 5) apply extra shard UL (Contribs ? Message • Email ) 07:06 August 19 2016 (EDT)
 * Note about above Note: I believe this has been fixed as of last Lamannia build. -- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 16:19, August 26, 2016 (EDT)
 * Note about above Note about above Note: Work in Lamania v2, fix in Lamania v3. Extra effect can be applied to item with minimal level 10+ UL (Contribs • Message • Email ) 04:53, August 31, 2016 (EDT)

Shard of minimal level
Table 2a


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Non-scaling shards
Important Some cell represented like x/y. This means: x - ingredient for bound, y - ingredient for unbound. Maybe this will be fix in future. UL (Contribs • Message • Email ) 07:08, August 31, 2016 (EDT) Table 2b
 * Note: It seems "Min. level increase" absolutely useless or broken. Maybe this will fix in future. UL (Contribs • Message • Email )
 * Lamania v3. Not fixed. Example: http://i68.tinypic.com/25k205c.jpg
 * Note: #1, #2, #3 beneath the Bound and Unbound headings refer to the corresponding collectible #. These values indicate how many of that collectible you will need for that shard. Sqrlmonger (Contribs • Message • Email )
 * Note: "Purified" refers to Purified Eberron Dragonshard Fragment. The value in this column indicates how many of these you will need to craft that shard. Sqrlmonger (Contribs • Message • Email )

Scaling shards
Table 2c

Maximum scaling
Table 3a

Effect scaling
Let's complete this table: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/141kTWdX-ZqmRCN_zUBSVwlGQqi0a_sIHzUr65AP3BII/edit?usp=sharing

Table 3b (incomplete, copy of the above google document // Let's complete it first -> After, data can be copy with scripts)


 * Value for recheck Pink cell color


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 * list all scaling effects in one table - is it possible/viable?
 * get the table done first we'll think about format later. also dunnno vertical or horizontal which is better -- yoko5000 (Contribs • Message • Email ) 05:52, August 23, 2016 (EDT)
 * actually no, vertical wont work for this. we're gonna have to covert Table 2a to horizontal too to match the formatting here maybe. -- yoko5000 (Contribs • Message • Email ) 08:06, August 26, 2016 (EDT)

Non-working Effects
You can craft these, but you can't use them. All items don't support these shards
 * Riposte
 * Insight Spell focus
 * Bleed
 * Maiming
 * Insight False Life
 * Insight Wizardry
 * Combat mastery and Fortification don't work with off-hand/shiled

Clickies
Fate of this feature unknown at this time. More information when it becomes available. Last known was it was still going to be included. -- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 20:24, August 19, 2016 (EDT) hmm.. what happens to items with clicky's on them when you disjunct them in the new CC??? Inquiring minds want to know. :P -- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 20:16, August 24, 2016 (EDT)

New collectables
Images with descriptions (missing "Adventuring Oratorio"): https://1drv.ms/f/s!AhSd_rvpZ8CSg5UW5c8QvlBHyGqpGA

Collectables tiers

 * Unbound CC Level = Bound CC Level +150 (lvl 1 as lvl 0) UL (Contribs • Message • Email ) 05:06, August 16, 2016 (EDT)
 * Some collectable can appear in different tiers. Tier 4 seems useless. Maybe collectable real tier should treat as lowest value. Rarity of collectables is an open question. UL (Contribs • Message • Email ) 05:06, August 16, 2016 (EDT)
 * There are only 5 levels (tiers) (1-6?, 7-11?, 12-17?, 18-24?, 25-30+?) of collectibles per
 * -- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 14:09, August 17, 2016 (EDT)
 * Unfortunately, tiers in this table connected with CC level. Maybe, some tier in this table must be merged (1 and 2, 4 and 5) .Also, not of existing collectable have farm section. So, it's really hard to sort it by quest level. Or, I don't something. UL (Contribs • Message • Email ) 18:01, August 17, 2016 (EDT)

-- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 03:24, August 18, 2016 (EDT) -- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 17:59, August 21, 2016 (EDT)
 * am betting that if you merge 4+5 and 6+7 it will be right. Am also hoping that a Dev will post publicly about this. Good news is that it sounds like all collectible dispensers will no longer be limited to a select few based upon quest; rather dispensers will grant collectibles from appropriate level range (with chance at uncommon and rare).
 * new information from NoWorries
 * Six tiers of collectibles: from Cocomajobo here
 * 1-5
 * 5-10
 * 11-15
 * 16-20
 * 21-25
 * 26+
 * New post by NoWorries - answers most questions.

Table 4a Collectibles: Collectibles will be used in all crafting recipes. These collectibles can be found throughout the game, and can be traded with friends or purchased through the Auction Houses. The DDO Store also offers the opportunity to get some random collectibles along with the chance to get specific rare collectibles at limited times. Collectibles come in four different category types: Arcane, Lore, Natural, and Cultural. An Arcane device of a given level range has the chance to drop all items in that range. Backpacks/Rubble piles have the chance to drop all categories of collectibles for a given tier. The tier and the collectible device are the only determination on the collectables received.

Alternate view of the above table:
Table 4b

See also Crafting Collectables/U32. Also there is some inconsistency between table 4a and 4b (Tier 7, item name etc) whats up with that?
 * I can only speculate, but original table was based upon what cannith crafting level the collectible is first used rather than what quest CR they are found in.-- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 14:03, August 30, 2016 (EDT)

Ammunition
-- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 20:35, August 18, 2016 (EDT) Table 5a
 * included in this build of Lamannia . Currently only seeing Arrows and Bolts.
 * according to +Cocomajobo during live event today - nothing further is planned for ammunition for U32. -- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 19:46, August 19, 2016 (EDT)
 * This table for arrows/bolts. Ammo craft in Crafting Device - Bound Shards.
 * Each recipe yields 100 arrows or bolts.

Trapmaking
included in this build of Lamannia. Currently looks like no other changes except replacing lesser xxx essences with one new essence. -- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 15:31, August 18, 2016 (EDT)

Collar Crafting
included in this build of Lamannia -- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 15:31, August 18, 2016 (EDT)
 * Please, give a link to a craftable/deconstructable collar UL (Contribs • Message • Email ) 18:11, August 19, 2016 (EDT)
 * -- Uurlock (ContribsMessage • Email ) 18:55, August 19, 2016 (EDT)


 * Collar crafting in lamania v3: craft handwraps (with enchantment) -> transform into collar. (http://i68.tinypic.com/nxpb1j.jpg  /  http://i68.tinypic.com/2hnc9rn.jpg) UL (Contribs • Message • Email ) 06:15, August 31, 2016 (EDT)

On live you have to cannith craft some handwraps, THEN convert to a collar, disjuncting said collar results in 'No recipes avail' in the CC machines. Random Loot-gen collars CAN be disjuncted and cannith crafted upon. This is a very old bug on live.

Runestones
-- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 15:31, August 18, 2016 (EDT)
 * included in this build of Lamannia . Not seeing any new, higher level versions.
 * *according to +Cocomajobo during live event today - nothing further is planned for runestones for U32. -- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 19:47, August 19, 2016 (EDT)
 * Runestone craft in Crafting Device - Bound Shards.

Table 5b

Runearms
-- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 12:27, August 26, 2016 (EDT) -- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 14:25, August 27, 2016 (EDT)
 * I tried used Rune Arm from store with crafting device. Both devices say: "No recipes" (before deconstruct), and "Item must be keyed for crafting at a deconstruction device." after deconstruct. UL (Contribs • Message • Email )
 * Runearms and Cannith Challenge gear are not in this build of Lamannia. Most likely next build. Cannith Crafting - Runearms and Challenge Gear -- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 18:35, August 19, 2016 (EDT)
 * I stand corrected - during dev event today was told Runearms are in:
 * cleans in Cannith Decon machine
 * Didn't remove the MCI??? is this WAI? but MCI not affecting ML-- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 19:21, August 19, 2016 (EDT)
 * Used device workstation to exchange for new runearm, then cleansed - borked
 * Used device workstation to exchange for another new version, accepted in device workstation, but no recipes.-- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 22:56, August 19, 2016 (EDT)
 * Currently still be treated as a trinket as for what can be crafted onto them. Per Cordovan's livestream today.
 * So far (from public thread here [Forums|477782] by NoWorries)
 * "The most straightforward solution would appear to be that the charge tier, the spell itself, the rune arm imbue, the ML, and any very unique effects (such as Coronauch) would stay. The rest of the effects would be removed when prepping for crafting and then you could craft on 2 effects (or 3 using the Mark of House Cannith). The list of effects for Runearms is still being worked on.."
 * Currently Runearms (using NoWorries spelling that doesn't include the space) are using the 'trinket' model for what can be crafted onto them, so basically anything.
 * This would be a great time to also update the layout and fix the pages to bring them up to current standards.
 * Will not (should not) affect runearms without the ability to craft on them.

Cannith Challenge Gear
-- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 01:12, August 31, 2016 (EDT)
 * Vaults of the Artificers loot and all related / sub pages need to be updated for [Update 32] -
 * No longer are craftable.
 * Need historic pages
 * Updating umm.. everything.-- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 18:01, August 30, 2016 (EDT).


 * Here you can find img of new loot: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AhSd_rvpZ8CSg5VCiFsyNvGSZFxnqQ UL (Contribs • Message • Email ) 08:35, September 1, 2016 (EDT)

Store Items
Store needs updating to go with U32
 * Blessed Silver Weapons
 * Blessed Cold Iron Weapons
 * Remote Item Deconstruction

Existing

 * slots survive through deconstruction into keyed crafting blanks

Adding New

 * there is currently no way to add or modify augment slots
 * currently no plans to add ways

Minimum level

 * Artificial minimum level is only on blanks
 * Once minimum level shard is applied, even level 1, the item is that minimum level unless higher level augments are slotted

Mass Deconstruction

 * 29m45s into Cordovan addresses current status (transcript of statement)

-- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 11:27, August 29, 2016 (EDT)

Soul Gems
Soul Gem and Crafting Soul Gems need updating.
 * Dragon - According to multiple Dev's during recent Lamannia events : Psuedodragons in the Stormhorns-- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 15:42, August 25, 2016 (EDT)
 * Confirmed imgur link


 * New Soul Gems
 * Soul Gem: Dragon

Links

 * Update 32 named items
 * need to also update the Update 32 named items crafting here (Slavers Crafting)
 * Cannith Crafting Planner: http://ccplaner.esy.es/ UL (Contribs • Message • Email ) 12:08, August 21, 2016 (EDT)

Dissolve

 * Old CC craft item can't be dissolved. UL (Contribs • Message • Email ) 05:37, September 1, 2016 (EDT)
 * Old random items can't be dissolved. UL (Contribs • Message • Email ) 05:47, September 1, 2016 (EDT)
 * New random loot can be dissolved. Need testing! UL (Contribs • Message • Email ) 05:37, September 1, 2016 (EDT)
 * New CC items can be dissolve. Must have prefix or suffix or extra. UL (Contribs • Message • Email ) 06:03, September 1, 2016 (EDT)
 * Items with non-scaling effect can't be dissolved. Example: http://i66.tinypic.com/15qrf3l.jpg . (need testing) UL (Contribs • Message • Email ) 06:03, September 1, 2016 (EDT)

Essences and slot count

 * Dissolve trinket with fire resist (lvl 34): result 27, 34, 27, 25, 26, 28, 38
 * Dissolve trinket with fire resist and fort save (lvl 34): result 29, 26, 39, 27, 27, 32, 29
 * Need more data, but seems count of essence must be equal.

XP required per level
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/478439-U32-crafting-experience-table-request#post5868069 just posted 1 0 2 10 3 20 4 31 5 42 6 54 7 66 8 78 9 91 10 104 11 117 12 131 13 146 14 161 15 177 16 193 17 210 18 227 19 245 20 264 21 283 22 303 23 323 24 345 25 367 26 389 27 413 28 438 29 463 30 489 31 516 32 544 33 573 34 603 35 635 36 667 37 700 38 735 39 770 40 807 41 846 42 885 43 926 44 968 45 1012 46 1058 47 1105 48 1154 49 1204 50 1256 51 1310 52 1365 53 1422 54 1481 55 1541 56 1603 57 1667 58 1734 59 1802 60 1872 61 1944 62 2018 63 2095 64 2174 65 2255 66 2338 67 2425 68 2513 69 2605 70 2699 71 2796 72 2896 73 2999 74 3105 75 3214 76 3326 77 3442 78 3561 79 3684 80 3811 81 3941 82 4075 83 4214 84 4356 85 4503 86 4654 87 4810 88 4970 89 5135 90 5305 91 5480 92 5661 93 5847 94 6038 95 6235 96 6438 97 6647 98 6863 99 7085 100 7313 101 7547 102 7788 103 8034 104 8286 105 8545 106 8810 107 9081 108 9360 109 9645 110 9938 111 10238 112 10545 113 10860 114 11183 115 11514 116 11853 117 12201 118 12558 119 12923 120 13298 121 13682 122 14075 123 14478 124 14892 125 15315 126 15750 127 16195 128 16651 129 17119 130 17598 131 18090 132 18594 133 19110 134 19639 135 20181 136 20737 137 21307 138 21891 139 22490 140 23104 141 23733 142 24378 143 25038 144 25716 145 26410 146 27122 147 27851 148 28599 149 29366 150 30151 151 30952 152 31770 153 32603 154 33454 155 34321 156 35206 157 36108 158 37029 159 37967 160 38925 161 39902 162 40898 163 41914 164 42951 165 44008 166 45087 167 46187 168 47309 169 48453 170 49620 171 50811 172 52026 173 53264 174 54528 175 55817 176 57131 177 58472 178 59840 179 61235 180 62658 181 64109 182 65590 183 67100 184 68640 185 40211 186 71814 187 73448 188 75116 189 76816 190 78551 191 80320 192 82125 193 83966 194 85843 195 87758 196 89712 197 91704 198 93737 199 95810 200 97924 201 100049 202 102185 203 104331 204 106488 205 108656 206 110835 207 113024 208 115225 209 117436 210 119659 211 121893 212 124138 213 126394 214 128661 215 130940 216 133230 217 135531 218 137844 219 140169 220 142505 221 144853 222 147213 223 149584 224 151968 225 154363 226 156770 227 159190 228 161621 229 164064 230 166520 231 168988 232 171469 233 173961 234 176467 235 178984 236 181515 237 184058 238 186613 239 189182 240 191763 241 194357 242 196965 243 199585 244 202218 245 204865 246 207524 247 210197 248 212884 249 215584 250 218297 251 221013 252 223732 253 226453 254 229177 255 231904 256 234634 257 237366 258 240102 259 242839 260 245580 261 248323 262 251069 263 253818 264 256570 265 259324 266 262081 267 264841 268 267604 269 270369 270 273137 271 275908 272 278682 273 281458 274 284237 275 287019 276 289804 277 292592 278 295382 279 298175 280 300971 281 303770 282 306571 283 309375 284 312183 285 314993 286 317805 287 320621 288 323439 289 326260 290 329084 291 331911 292 334741 293 337573 294 340409 295 343247 296 346088 297 348932 298 351778 299 354628 300 357480 301 360334 302 363189 303 366046 304 368904 305 371764 306 374624 307 377487 308 380351 309 383216 310 386083 311 388951 312 391820 313 394691 314 397564 315 400437 316 403313 317 406189 318 409068 319 411947 320 414828 321 417711 322 420595 323 423480 324 426367 325 429255 326 432145 327 435036 328 437928 329 440822 330 443718 331 446615 332 449513 333 452413 334 455314 335 458217 336 461121 337 464027 338 466934 339 469842 340 472752 341 475664 342 478577 343 481491 344 484407 345 487324 346 490243 347 493163 348 496085 349 499008 350 501932 351 504858 352 507786 353 510715 354 513645 355 516577 356 519511 357 522445 358 525382 359 528319 360 531259 361 534199 362 537141 363 540085 364 543030 365 545977 366 548925 367 551874 368 554825 369 557778 370 560732 371 563687 372 566644 373 569603 374 572562 375 575524 376 578487 377 581451 378 584417 379 587384 380 590353 381 593323 382 596295 383 599268 384 602243 385 605219 386 608196 387 611176 388 614156 389 617138 390 620122 391 623107 392 626094 393 629082 394 632071 395 635063 396 638055 397 641049 398 644045 399 647042 400 650040}} -- Uurlock (Contribs • Message • Email ) 15:04, September 8, 2016 (EDT)