DDO wiki talk:Administrators' noticeboard

General Discussion
shouldn't this be all under DDOwiki namespace? --yoko5000 (Contributions • Message) 06:50, April 2, 2014 (EDT)
 * That's one option, another might be forum and I believe half of the environment can be hidden removed from the wiki text of the page that way. I'm mostly curious as to why we need to fragment this all into so many tabs, I mean there are only  administrators,  active users, and  total editors... ShoeMaker (Contributions • Message) 09:22, April 2, 2014 (EDT)
 * , I'm not sure why I didn't initially think about putting in the DDO wiki namespace. I have moved all of the pages over there now. , this is just the initial layout that I had brainstormed.  I am trying to avoid having it be one VERY long page that editors and admins have to sort through to try and find any new and/or relevant information to act/work on.  I want to keep it as is for the moment, but I will likely combine everything involving requests of some sort into one "Requests" tab and have fixed headings that users/editors/admins can post under.  Additional tabs could be added later on down the line if a need is identified, or similarly, tabs could be removed and merged with other like tabs.
 * My main vision for this noticeboard is not to have massively long entries with long debates/conversations. It's going to be an organized location where users (speaking universally, regardless of position on the wiki) can post concerns, requests for various administrative tasks to be done, a place for admins to vote on multiple issues in one central location.  I understand that using one of the forums might have been more ideal in some aspects, but i know personally, when I go through the forums here, it can be difficult to find things at times.  -- Ague (Talk · Contribs · Blocks · Deletions · Imports · Patrols · Page Moves · Page Protects · User Merges · User Rights) 16:25, April 2, 2014 (EDT)
 * So I made some edits and changes to the noticeboard. I feel it is ready to be used in its current state.  It will likely be molded and shaped as time goes on, which is exactly what i hope it will do.  If anyone has any questions or suggestions just make it known.  I would like to add this to the Side Bar navigation, so if nobody objects, then I'll go ahead and place it there tomorrow.  Please feel free to edit and update the General page as needed.  I'm going to work on it a little bit more and try to make it look all shiny and stuff.  -- Ague (Talk · Contribs · Blocks · Deletions · Imports · Patrols · Page Moves · Page Protects · User Merges · User Rights) 15:43, April 3, 2014 (EDT)
 * I still think this should be set up as a new forum section in the forum space. It would be so much easier to manage and control that way with less opportunity for error. ShoeMaker (Contributions • Message) 10:51, April 9, 2014 (EDT)

Visibility

 * Tech, if this was only showed to just admins, it would sort of defeat the purpose of being a central location for wiki users and/or editors to come to to get things brought to the attention of the admins. Perhaps, maybe Super User and above with restricted editing for SU and above as well.  I think that would be good considering that a good chunk the highly active editors have SU rights.  What do you think?  But as far as the link showing up in the Sidebar only for certain people wouldn't work per-se.  They would still be able to view it via hotlink, Recent Changes, etc...  -- Ague (Talk · Contribs · Blocks · Deletions · Imports · Patrols · Page Moves · Page Protects · User Merges · User Rights) 10:10, April 9, 2014 (EDT)
 * Yeah. I was thinking something specific, but I don't remember exactly what it was right now. I'll post back when and if I remember. ShoeMaker (Contributions • Message) 10:52, April 9, 2014 (EDT)

Popup Templates

 * OK, so I've finally finished tweaking the Template:Popup and published it. My next concern is why do we need 3 popup templates on the wiki?  Seems rather redundant if you ask me?  I programmed in a short/long switch into the template I just updated.  I'm thinking maybe Bot through and update the rest, then deprecate the short/long templates?  Thoughts?  -- Ague (Talk · Contribs · Blocks · Deletions · Imports · Patrols · Page Moves · Page Protects · User Merges · User Rights) 17:37, April 11, 2014 (EDT)
 * I actually have a problem with the new popup template, and it is a technical one so it should eb easy to fix. When I mouseover the text that has a tooltip, the tooltip shows.  If I move my mouse down or down and to the left, the tooltip disappears (which makes it impossible to click on any links in the tooltip).  Strangely, if I move my mouse down and to the right, it stays and I can click on links.  I am currently on FF28.0 on a WinVista machine.  I can give you the full useragent if you need it. ShoeMaker (Contributions • Message) 18:48, April 11, 2014 (EDT)
 * I don't have a Vista box to test it on, but Win 7 & 8 FF 28 (newest update) is working good now. Just a minor spacing error.  Those types of nuances are fairly uncommon between the major browsers.  Normally it's new features that have issues.  But anyways, it's good to go now, Tech.  So what are your thoughts on the OP regarding the multiple templates?  -- Ague (Talk · Contribs · Blocks · Deletions · Imports · Patrols · Page Moves · Page Protects · User Merges · User Rights) 19:35, April 11, 2014 (EDT)
 * The issues seems to be fixed for me as well. As far as merging Popup, Short popup, and Long popup goes, I'm all for it and actually started writing Custom popup a long time ago with the same goal in mind.  There is also Image popup but I'm thinking that one is different enough that it should be left out for now. ShoeMaker (Contributions • Message) 22:08, April 11, 2014 (EDT)
 * As far as the image popup goes, images work just fine so long as you use the | and the long switch. Something I will add to the documentation.  Also, I will work on incorporating images formatting switches directly into the template as optionals.  -- Ague (Talk · Contribs · Blocks · Deletions · Imports · Patrols · Page Moves · Page Protects · User Merges · User Rights) 16:43, April 16, 2014 (EDT)
 * I just saw the result of this as is used with Xpcolors and inside of MissionInfoBox, the extra width taken by the :after icons stretches it out way too much. Can we get rid of those or add them as an extra class that can be turned off if not wanted? ShoeMaker (Contributions • Message) 13:33, April 12, 2014 (EDT)
 * I'll explore this and see what I can come up with. It shouldn't be too hard.  -- Ague (Talk · Contribs · Blocks · Deletions · Imports · Patrols · Page Moves · Page Protects · User Merges · User Rights) 16:36, April 16, 2014 (EDT)

Site notice change
While I like the idea that it uses divs now instead of a table, I'm not too happy about the style of it and the way that it looks. It's too blocky, there is too much white space, and the box stands out too much as opposed to the links inside of it. I'd like to see some other styling change ideas (and to be honest, I think the styling should be stripped from in-line and we should use classes that we define on a per skin level so each skin can have a different look and feel to it). I'll mock up what I think it should look like in the next week or two, maybe some of our other css knowledgeable persons can mock up their ideas as well and then we can all comment on all of them, have a week to adjust and pick the best one that most represents the wiki? Thoughts? Feelings? ShoeMaker (Contributions • Message) 22:15, April 11, 2014 (EDT)
 * Yeah, it looked good but after looking at it for a while and letting it marinate in my mind, I have a little different idea for it now. I'll play around with it and see what I come up with. -- Ague (Talk · Contribs · Blocks · Deletions · Imports · Patrols · Page Moves · Page Protects · User Merges · User Rights) 16:35, April 16, 2014 (EDT)

Main Nav Menu, the Sidebar, and You

 * So reading a post by Agonshar on his talk page recently (Same as above), he makes some good points. Namely, why don't we incorporate the main navigation menu in the box above into the sidebar?  The Site Notice would best be used for important notices regarding the site rather than a navigation menu, and would free up that valuable vertical real estate for content.  Now as for moving the the page title over there and the user menu, that's most likely beyond our control as those are hard coded into the template.  -- Ague (Talk · Contribs · Blocks · Deletions · Imports · Patrols · Page Moves · Page Protects · User Merges · User Rights) 12:17, April 24, 2014 (EDT)
 * Okay, not sure why I was mentioned and got no Ppoi on my talk page, but my responses are these:
 * The only way to get that appearance is to use one of the other skins (Cologne Blue IIRC). It is very hard-coded into the MediaWiki software for how it currently looks (and messing with changing skins up is a real PAIN...)
 * There are tons of things we "could" add (and I have added a few for administrators to make it easier to research trouble users and exceptional users deserving of promotion of some sort). If there is something else you want added, please do let me know and I will help create the element (you can also add personal elements and I would be happy to teach or write the private scripts for anyone to do that as well).
 * I'm actually already working on making the sidebar headers collapsible (like on Wikipedia), but I got distracted from my research of learning how the MediaWIki source manipulates the sidebar (it's not a simple element, it actually uses a convoluted series of subpages in the MediaWiki: space to populate everything).
 * As far as adjusting the sitenotice and anonnotice goes, I'd be happy to collapse it (or part of it) and make it take less space, but I don't think it should be outright removed or emptied and differed to sidebar.  Be happy to discuss it more though. ShoeMaker (Contributions • Message) 19:01, April 24, 2014 (EDT)

Spoilers
I notice that all throughout the wiki we see SPOILERS everywhere in bold, caps, italics and so forth, now I understand entirely that editors are trying to alert others reading the wiki that there is information about to be read that may lead to knowledge prior to reading. BUT I'm raising this topic for the following reason (and it may seem a poor reason to some but here it is):

The entire content of DDOwiki is a spoiler, why do we have these alerts throughout when those reading are fully aware they at any point could be about to read something they did not know - that is why they are here firstly and throughout their experiece of DDOwiki over time, its always spoiler material, everything here is; please don't just shoot me down - I like to rock the status quo and see where it goes (valid arguement of course required), I'm wondering what others thoughts are on this and the reasoning behind it.

Agonshar (Contributions • Message) 20:50, May 12, 2014 (EDT)