User talk:Rys

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Again, welcome to the wiki - and I can't thank you enough on behalf of the community for your help in making us the best DDO site around. ShoeMaker (Contribs&thinsp;•&thinsp;Message&thinsp;•&thinsp;Email ) 08:42, August 21, 2017 (EDT)

Blocked July 15, 2018
Good morning,

I wanted to keep the wiki consistent. I was adding there the ddo screenshot licensing and added me as a source. Yet you ban me with no warning, discussion or explanation. Maybe you shoud check the other images and look how unconsistently the licensing is filled there instead of banning a user who was prepared to upload more visuals. Very disappointed the wiki is in hands of people like yourself.

I even closed my eyes when a lot of information was copied, word by word from the description under my youtube video to the Ascension Chamber page without any credit. Which breaks copyright on all fronts.

Have a nice day,

08:02, July 15, 2018 (EDT) (copied from forum PM)
 * I want the wiki to be consistent as well. I'm not sure why you contacted me here instead of on wiki though.  You do have access to edit your user talk page to discuss the ban there.  As such, I'm copy/pasting this to the wiki for discussion.  08:15, July 15, 2018 (EDT) (copied from forum PM)
 * Users can't be source. You did not create the asset in game, and therefor are not the source.  You're credited by the wiki as the uploader, which can not be changed by anyone on wiki, and there is no need to duplicate that information in the source section (automatically created section by wiki software that should mostly be unused).  The block was for being disruptive about it.  You made some changes, I rolled them back, you reverted them instead of starting a discussion and before I had a chance to start a discussion.  So, I put in place a temporary indefinite block so that we could have a chance to discuss it without edit warring and disruption.  I'm aware of how inconsistent File pages are.  It's been a huge project of mine trying to make it easier to make them a little more consistent in the future.  There are thousands of files on the wiki, it's hard to go through and fix them all in a short time-span and we're all volunteers.  You're not banned from the wiki as a block is not a ban.  I'm not aware of any copying from any YouTube video, please provide details and I'll happily look into it and making sure proper credit is given.  &#x1f45f;&thinsp;ShoeMaker (Contribs&thinsp;•&thinsp;Message&thinsp;•&thinsp;Email )&thinsp;&#x1f45f; 08:45, July 15, 2018 (EDT)

Screenshot copyright
Daybreak terms of service:

According to this, you don't necessarily need to mention that the source of the images you upload is DDO since the screenshots before edited do not have any trademark on them, but it's good practice. However, you cannot post them under any kind of license even if the modification/generation in-game was your work.
 * IE A CC-BY-SA license is not correct since you don't own the artwork even though you're the one who took the screenshot. &#x1f45f;&thinsp;ShoeMaker (Contribs&thinsp;•&thinsp;Message&thinsp;•&thinsp;Email )&thinsp;&#x1f45f; 08:45, July 15, 2018 (EDT)

As for the indefinite ban from, it was unwarranted and against the DDO wiki:Blocking policy. He should have first contacted you about the edits like I did right now and then if you didn't comply block you for 1-3 months (according to the penalty for severe/blatant spam/vandalism). Unlike wikipedia, we don't have bans and you did not violate the banning policy. You violated the blocking policy. You also just rewrote the blocking policy without any admin concensus to suit your needs of blocking anyone you want. I thought reviewing a policy takes more than 2 weeks: User talk:Shade Two weeks is an inadequate amount of time for agreeing on any site changing policy.. - &rArr; Faltout (Contribs • Message • Email ) 16:26, July 15, 2018 (EDT)
 * It's not a ban. It's a block to prevent disruption.  It can come off as soon as discussion is complete.  It's not against the blocking policy, it was an emergency action to prevent disruption by an editor who was mass undoing every edit of there's that was rolled back before discussion could be had.  &#x1f45f;&thinsp;ShoeMaker (Contribs&thinsp;•&thinsp;Message&thinsp;•&thinsp;Email )&thinsp;&#x1f45f; 08:45, July 15, 2018 (EDT)
 * "Ban" and "Block" are words with the same meaning in the wiki, given that there is only blocking and no banning (blocked IPs, blocked users, block, block, block). And it is clearly against the blocking policy as the block was indefinite (which is only reserved for invalid usernames). It is also wrong to block without any warning. &rArr; Faltout (Contribs • Message • Email ) 10:27, July 15, 2018 (EDT)
 * Wrong, again. Check out  which should help you understand the difference between a block and a ban.  &#x1f45f;&thinsp;ShoeMaker (Contribs&thinsp;•&thinsp;Message&thinsp;•&thinsp;Email )&thinsp;&#x1f45f; 13:16, July 15, 2018 (EDT)
 * Wrong again. Bans and blocks are different.  Blocking policy was also not rewritten.  The point of it is unchanged - Blocking administrator discretion  This means it can be a 1 second block or an indefinite block.  Unless you're advocating that Rys should be blocked a minimum of 3 days for disruption, of course.  &#x1f45f;&thinsp;ShoeMaker (Contribs&thinsp;•&thinsp;Message&thinsp;•&thinsp;Email )&thinsp;&#x1f45f; 19:04, July 15, 2018 (EDT)

Re: copyright
Thank you for the explanation. At the end, I added the DDO screenshot licensing instead of CC-BY-SA to my posts and I wanted to keep it consistent (not have fair use in one, in other one missing, one under copyright, the other under licensing because it is driving my OCD crazy). Concerning the unprecedented ban, I am not surprised as I did have a personal problem with Technical 13 in the past but I indeed expected better as I was ready to post more gear visuals. /shrugs — previous unsigned Please sign posts using ~    comment by Rys (&thinsp;c&thinsp;&#124; &thinsp;e&thinsp;&#124; &thinsp;d&thinsp; &#124;&thinsp;r&thinsp; &#124;&thinsp;b&thinsp; ) &#32; at 12:15, July 15, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, DDO screenshot should cover anything copyright related. If it's a screenshot, then it should be noted as such and no other licensing is appropriate unless SSG says otherwise.  The uploader/screenshotter is also not the "source", SSG is.  I have no personal problem with you.  Again, it's a block, not a ban; it's not unprecedented, it was to stop immediate disruption that was being caused without discussion (or the chance for discussion).  I'd love to come up with a consistent File: page layout for screenshots from game - but that'll need to be discussed and agreed upon.  &#x1f45f;&thinsp;ShoeMaker (Contribs&thinsp;•&thinsp;Message&thinsp;•&thinsp;Email )&thinsp;&#x1f45f; 08:45, July 15, 2018 (EDT)

Removing the block
I will happily remove the block if the following two conditions can be met: You even delete what I say on my talk page. I will give it a couple of days and then clear this page and call it a day as this was a great example of how no good deed goes unpunished. Thanks, &rArr; Rys (Contribs • &uArr; top &uArr; • Email ) 13:45, July 15, 2018 (EDT)Rys
 * 1) No more undoing when reverted without discussion on the talk page, the talk page of the user who reverted your changes, or our.
 * 2) No more trying to be the source or putting your own licensing on File: pages.  Let's come up with a consistent guideline for what should be there, and I'll happily make any needed changes to the MW: system messages to make it easier for that layout/guideline to be followed
 * Once you agree to these two things, I'll lift the block and you'll be able to go back to uploading images and making things more consistent. Thanks for your time and contributions.  &#x1f45f;&thinsp;ShoeMaker (Contribs&thinsp;•&thinsp;Message&thinsp;•&thinsp;Email )&thinsp;&#x1f45f; 08:52, July 15, 2018 (EDT)
 * Per DDO wiki:Wikiquette:
 * When reverting other people's edits, give a rationale for the revert (on the article's talk page, if necessary), and be prepared to enter into an extended discussion over the edits in question. Calmly explaining your thinking to others can often result in their agreeing with you; being dogmatic or uncommunicative evokes the same behavior in others, and gets you embroiled in an edit war.
 * This applies to anyone performing an undo/revert. This is frequently not the case with reverts, thus leading to edit wars and drama. — previous unsigned Please sign posts using ~     comment by Faltout (&thinsp;c&thinsp;&#124; &thinsp;e&thinsp;&#124; &thinsp;d&thinsp; &#124;&thinsp;r&thinsp; &#124;&thinsp;b&thinsp; ) &#32; at 14:35, July 15, 2018 (UTC)
 * That's not a Xevo quote, that's copied from enwp.org - so, I've removed the incorrect accreditation. I didn't perform an "undo/revert", I performed a "rollback".  There is no option to modify the es of a rollback and I didn't get an opportunity to post a message on any talk pages because Rys immediately performed an "undo/revert" on my "rollback".  So, in order to stop the disruptive behaviour, a block was issued to give time to discuss the issue.  The rationale for the block, which became the first topic that needed to be resolved, is in the block template as reason.  &#x1f45f;&thinsp;ShoeMaker (Contribs&thinsp;•&thinsp;Message&thinsp;•&thinsp;Email )&thinsp;&#x1f45f; 13:16, July 15, 2018 (EDT)
 * All you had to say was, don't add yourself as a source, as I got the memo with the DDO screenshot and was adding it to my uploads accordingly. I did not disrupt any other content because I didn't touch it. Only my three uploads of armor visuals. I am not happy with this approach, and I find a behaviour like this disrespectful and I don't feel like my work is welcomed here. — previous unsigned<span class="tooltip" style="z-index: 10000; border: 1px solid #333333; background-color: #EEEEEE; border-radius: 3px; box-shadow: 3px 5px 10px; top: 14px; left: -125px; text-align: center; padding: 5px; width: 250px; max-width: 450px; cursor: text; margin: 0px;"> Please sign posts using ~    comment by Rys <sup style="font-variant: small-caps;">(&thinsp;c&thinsp;&#124; &thinsp;e&thinsp;&#124; &thinsp;d&thinsp; &#124;&thinsp;r&thinsp; &#124;&thinsp;b&thinsp; ) &#32; at 12:52, July 15, 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't get an opportunity to do that as you had a knee-jerk reaction when I performed a rollback on your changes and decided to edit war about it instead of asking why I rolled your changes back (which I was in the process of typing out the details of anyway if you had just waited a little bit). If you'd like to work together and improve consistency, I'm all about that; if not, well I understand that too.  &#x1f45f;&thinsp;ShoeMaker (Contribs&thinsp;•&thinsp;Message<span class="emailLink emailTechnical_13">&thinsp;•&thinsp;Email )&thinsp;&#x1f45f; 13:16, July 15, 2018 (EDT)
 * I didn't delete anything you "said" - I removed some external screenshot URLs that broke the page layout. Since you are done here, I guess so am I. &#x1f45f;&thinsp;ShoeMaker (Contribs&thinsp;•&thinsp;Message<span class="emailLink emailTechnical_13">&thinsp;•&thinsp;Email )&thinsp;&#x1f45f; 19:04, July 15, 2018 (EDT)