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Hey! Respectful disagreement re Emotes. Maybe just need their own subsection - see my thoughts here: Talk:Emote. No rush, hardly time-critical. :) C-Hound (ContribsMessage) 23:21, January 8, 2016 (EST)

Bump - Been a week, so I'll go ahead and just separate the 2 sub-groups on the existing Chat/Commands page in a couple days if you have no comment. All good, later, C-Hound (ContribsMessage) 15:22, January 15, 2016 (EST)
  • I've been stupid busy. What was this conversation about? ShoeMaker (ContribsMessage) 16:31, January 15, 2016 (EST)
    • NP, figured as much. In a nutshell, a week ago I had moved "emotes" to their own page, and you reverted, keeping them combined w/ /commands on the chat page. I understand WIKI "KISS" reasoning etc., but I feel they ~are~ markedly diff than in-game /commands. I think they should (at least) have their own separate subsection on same /chat command page. (full reasoning here: Talk:Emote). Unless you object, I'll do that w/ code that had been on separate page. C-Hound (ContribsMessage) 18:27, January 15, 2016 (EST)
      • I thought I had said it's fine to put them in their own section on the page, but not to split it out into it's own page. Too many pages on the same topic makes it harder to search for topics. I may not of, my memory isn't what it used to be... ShoeMaker (ContribsMessage) 21:04, January 15, 2016 (EST)

Hireling pages[edit]

On another topic - the Table on this hirelings page was too messed up to read, and I didn't know how to fix it w/ Template:Hirelings_phantom. I copied the table code from the main List of Hirelings page, but that one doesn't use the Template. I ~did~ save all existing code as a comment below the (now legible) current table. You were the last to edit that page, so figured you'd know best how to proceed, if any correction needs to be made at all. (If you want to line me out, happy to do the work, just lemme know what/how, or where to read up on it.) Thx, C-Hound (ContribsMessage) 15:22, January 15, 2016 (EST)

  • You should never use T:Hirelings phantom. All of the hireling pages are likely borked right now as it will be a major project for me to go through and build all the new templates for all of them. Still on my list of things to do, but it is a fairly complicated template system (yes, system), so it'll be awhile before I can get around to it. You'd have to have lots of template/DPL experience to figure it out, so it's likely best left to someone with that level of knowledge (maybe Zav or ... not sure who else has that level of knowledge that is active). ShoeMaker (ContribsMessage) 16:31, January 15, 2016 (EST)
    • I found it there (but broken), that's the only reason I even asked. K, old-school hard-coded table works for now, and I (clearly) need the practice anyway. C-Hound (ContribsMessage) 18:27, January 15, 2016 (EST)

29 Edits and NOT counting...[edit]

btw - When I first landed here a week ago, you had edited my User home page by removing full code to Edit Counter and replacing w/ a Template for same - cool in theory, but it seems to be "not" counting, stuck on "29 and counting" for well over +100 edits since. Best fix? Thoughts? C-Hound (ContribsMessage) 18:27, January 15, 2016 (EST)

  • Not automatic (yet). Manually update it once every tier or 300-500 edits... ShoeMaker (ContribsMessage) 21:07, January 15, 2016 (EST)

All Good[edit]

In order - Agreed, will do; (Resolved); & Roger that. Afaic this can all be wiped clean. Get some sleep, brother. o7 C-Hound (ContribsMessage) 01:42, January 16, 2016 (EST)

New account welcome[edit]

You asked me about a design for MW:Welcomecreation-msg. I like the way this looks and works. Obviously it has a completely different purpose. You could change the sort button into next and previous buttons or a submit button. You could have one question at a time or all of them on the screen at once. I figure the code for selecting categories from a list could be used to ask which servers the user plays on. Are the question responses going to be used to create a first talk page post or a blurb on the user page? If so, I would suggest not automatically saving but preloading it so the user has the option to edit it before saving. — Zav(T·C) 19:06, January 16, 2016 (EST)

  • Funny you mention it. lol I just created a TESTNEW account to see what creating an account currently does to get an idea for working on this project. I was thinking a simpler version of The Wikipedia Adventure customized for DDOwiki. ShoeMaker (ContribsMessage) 20:26, January 16, 2016 (EST)
    • That would work too. I've never run through TWA, but it would be useful to have a learning exercise for new editors. — Zav(T·C) 20:40, January 16, 2016 (EST)

Why keep page?[edit]

Why are we keeping this page Talk:Trade_between_charactors? It reads more like a forum post, there is no actual article behind the "talk", the Trade page covers it all plus more, and (almost) nothing links to it. If there is a reason, what's the rationale that I'm missing? (Also, a quick edit note as to ~why~ you are reverting will help me understand local Wiki policy better, thx!) C-Hound (ContribsMessage) 17:39, January 18, 2016 (EST)

  • Talk pages are not blanked or deleted. They keep record of discussions and are suppose to look like forum posts. They are for wiki discussion, not for visitor research. :) ShoeMaker (ContribsMessage) 17:54, January 18, 2016 (EST)
Sure, but they are supposed to discuss the article in question, not be created in and of themselves, right? That page was never "for Wiki discussion", the answer was never molded into any page (until Trade) - it was a player's personal question, pure and simple. Which is what the forums are for. Maybe move it to the Talk on that Trade page?C-Hound (ContribsMessage)

Regarding Template:Stat[edit]

No issue with you reverting my change, but then why is User:JJMC89 policing my edits for something he is either wrong about or that doesn't matter? See Item:Diamond of Spooky Wisdom +2 and Item:Diamond of Spooky Intelligence +2. I don't appreciate nitpicking on things that are irrelevant and I don't like being pulled between 2 admins who differ on what is correct or incorrect. Thanks. Susalona (ContribsMessage) 21:44, January 20, 2016 (EST)

  • The reason it is all caps in the example section of the template is to show that the template is coded cleverly enough to not care about what case is used with the template. That said, it's good practice to use the normal proper case on articles (knowing the the template won't care if you accidentally type SPooky or sPooky instead of Spooky) for the sake of readability. Zav polices my edits sometimes too, it doesn't break anything and calms an apparent pet peeve of his, so I just let it be. ShoeMaker (ContribsMessage) 22:03, January 20, 2016 (EST)


Looking to update this but running into a couple issues and would like a couple pointers if possible.

  1. Old items (pre-U29) used Wizardry I to XI for 25 to 275 spellpoints. Newer items use integers, and those integers are exactly the spellpoints you get. The current template uses something that converts integers to roman numerals. I was wondering if a reverse tool existed (convert roman numeral to integer) and if we can then multiply this result by 25 prior to returning it, but I'm not sure where to even begin looking for this.
  2. In general, what style of coding does the Wiki use, and what's a good place to learn this code better?

Thanks in advance. Habreno (ContribsMessage) 17:39, February 2, 2016 (EST)

  • There is {{Roman2Dec}} (available from the "Template Functions" version of the edit tools below). You're also going to want to use {{Int}} to display numbers probably. As for style of coding, it's not really 'defined' since only like 3 people do it, but you can probably get the idea based on checking out existing templates. ShoeMaker (ContribsMessage) 18:19, February 2, 2016 (EST)
    • I have it completely done up in Python, and working relatively well. I just can't find some of the tools I need to get it done in wikicode. I've posted the Python version (including a romantodec conversion) in the discussion page User_Talk:Habreno/Wizardry for the proposed rewrite; if there's some source I'm missing please link it. Habreno (ContribsMessage) 17:29, February 15, 2016 (EST)
      • YAY! I think we have it! See User:Habreno/Wizardry. Still needs the Categorization, but that's not as difficult. Of importance: None of the old pages should have to be updated, unless they expressed the Wizardry in an integer format instead of a Roman Numeral format. Habreno (ContribsMessage) 00:57, February 29, 2016 (EST)
        • Updated with a second parameter (which defaults to Enhancement if unlisted, to keep compatibility with old templates). A lot of items will need updating to properly show (a lot of items used Ints instead of Roman Numerals...); I could go through them manually or perhaps there's a bot that'd be able to do it? Habreno (ContribsMessage) 16:21, February 29, 2016 (EST)
          • I could do it with Kobold sneak (Contribs • Message), but I'd need a list of pages and what changes need to be made. Also, those items will probably all need new screenshots anyways. ShoeMaker (ContribsMessage) 17:30, February 29, 2016 (EST)
            • Awesome. I'll throw a list of pages on User_Talk:Habreno/Wizardry under its own section. Habreno (ContribsMessage) 18:18, February 29, 2016 (EST)
              • The list will probably be something like Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Wizardry, no? ShoeMaker (ContribsMessage) 18:36, February 29, 2016 (EST)
                • Not necessarially; most of it's simply item pages. A lot of the other pages on that list are autofilled by various categories and don't actually have anything on them specifically to update. Habreno (ContribsMessage) 20:34, February 29, 2016 (EST)
                EDIT: It appears that some of the Category pages may in fact also need inclusion on the page list. Let me go through that entire list of pages and see if it's a better starting point. Habreno (ContribsMessage) 20:41, February 29, 2016 (EST)