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Talk:What is the plan, if any, for the new Crystal Cove items?

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Since they preserved the old recipes, we now have items of the exact same name in the game but with different stats.
I recently uploaded a bunch of images of the new stuff, but I don't know what to do with it. I can't replace the old images because they are still quite valid. ⇒ Niminae (Contribs • Message) 05:39, August 5, 2018 (EDT)

  • I have 50ish description pages from Euphonia Teles and her Conversions of Crystal Cove barter window - cut and sized to upload (maybe some already here, not sure). Just uploading seemed rather goofy to me, so I am asking where to put them. I can't tell if I tack them into old pages, or a new one will be created (and somehow woven together with historic/tiered stuff with wiki skills I lack). If you want me to start a new page for each item, tack on the description panel pic... and fill in the template later, I can do that... I think. Just point me in the direction of the best template to use (if that is the case), please. ⇒ meander (Contribs • Message) 10:01, August 13, 2018 (EDT)
  • Probably use the precedent, look at Glass Cannon (Historic). Bunch of admins were moving around pages so hopefully this is ok. I could also see one page, for example Swashbuckler or Item:Swashbuckler, which would include both the old and the new descriptions. --⇒ Cru121 (Contribs • Message) 06:00, August 5, 2018 (EDT)
  • The plan is... The old versions are tiered by level and the new versions are not. So, if we follow the naming convention the new items will be, using Item:Swashbuckler as an example:
The old items will have to be moved to the following naming convention:
This will allow for all of the, currently available, versions to be listed and allow proper categorization and DPL queries to work as desired without template changes. Once all of the sub pages are created, we'll be able to create/edit the main overview page for the item, Swashbuckler, to be a proper overview with all the versions listed and full details.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 10:24, August 5, 2018 (EDT)
When deleting the old pages to make new pages, could whoever does the delete make a link to the new page and also reference this page? It is very disconcerting to come upon a page that simply says it was deleted when you know it shouldn't be simply deleted.--⇒ Justaplayer (Contribs • Message) 12:19, August 11, 2018 (EDT)
Would it be easier (and make more sense, and be more internally consistent) to just have "Swashbuckler (Level 4) (Tiered)" etc., since the pages are already set up having the tiered all together, and that's how it's done with other tiered items (Cannith Challenges, Fall of Truth, CitW, etc.)? Or is it planned to expand all those out to individual pages as well? And if we do go full-bore with the individual pages, IMHO it makes more sense to have "Item (Level) (Tier)" rather than "Item (Tier) (Level)". ⇒ LrdSlvrhnd (Contribs • Message) 02:05, August 6, 2018 (EDT)
  • Not at this time, we don't have the extension needed to put three versions of an item on a single page in an aesthetic manner. I don't recommend adding the extension that would allow it either. It makes more sense to just wait for Xevo to upgrade the MW: core above 1.27 (IIRC) that will allow us to have a slideshow gallery. Once that is available, then I'd have no issue with merging all of the page versions into Item:<ITEM> (tiered)(level ##) and setting up the galleries.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 07:56, August 7, 2018 (EDT)
  • For the record, we already had pages like Swashbuckler_(Level_12)(Tier_3), but we merged them into a single item per level in 2013. And I fear few editors will be bored enough to recreate dozens of pages for quasi-history items. So the grand plan for transcluding everything via DPL might not be feasible. Also worth noting, we had level and tier exchanged in article name. Imho the previous order (level 4)(tier 1) makes more sense. --⇒ Cru121 (Contribs • Message) 04:45, August 8, 2018 (EDT)
    • I don't disagree that (level #)(tier #) makes more sense. The problem with it is that when we create the DPL to pull the items, the code looks like | titlematch = <ITEM> (level %) where the % is equivalent to the regular expression .* which is greedy. Unless we don't want to be able to separate new items from old in different tables, the most feasible way to accomplish the task at hand is to go (tier #)(level #). ⇒ DDOstream (Contribs • Message) 09:40, August 8, 2018 (EDT)
      • Using a proper regular expression (titleregexp) instead of titlematch resolves this issue. Here is the code: | namespace = Item | titleregexp = <ITEM>_[(]level_[0-9]+[)][(]tier_[0-9]+[)] ⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message) 04:23, August 16, 2018 (EDT)
        • Doesn't work. There are some items (Glass Cannon for example) that don't have multiple levels. regex is also a lot heavier on the processing than match.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 10:17, August 16, 2018 (EDT)
          • I'm sure we can find something that works with DPL without the need to name pages in a weird way. If you don't care about the "(level XX)" part of the REGEXP, then it can be easily replaced with a wildcard: titleregexp = <ITEM>_.*[(]tier_[0-9]+[)]. Also, regex is not heavier than match. ⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message) 12:37, August 16, 2018 (EDT)

Crafting interfaces[edit]

The cove loot is currently transcluded from two barter interfaces, Euphonia's Barter Box and Euphonia's Hat Box. Much of the barter box content can be moved to the Dusty Old Treasure of Crystal Cove, and barter box itself should include only new stuff. IIRC the barter box page itself also has a bunch of stuff transcluded, so it can end up being pretty confusing.--⇒ Cru121 (Contribs • Message) 15:58, August 5, 2018 (EDT)

  • This is exactly why we need to try and get all of the Item page names set up like above. Should make it easier to transclude dynamic content for these types of pages.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 17:13, August 5, 2018 (EDT)

Stolen Gems[edit]

I already started updating Treasure of Crystal Cove and Treasure of Crystal Cove/Collectables to make a distinction between legacy gems which can be used for buying the old loot and "current" gems which are the only ones still used for purchasing the new updated loot, I hope the distinction makes sense to everyone. ⇒ Sarkastik (Contribs • Message) 16:17, August 5, 2018 (EDT)

(Historic) for rune arm[edit]

So some folks on the forums were dissatisfied with Glass Cannon (Historic). It kinda indicates that the item is no longer available, which is not the case. Some ideas from the thread: call it (Original), (Legacy), (Classic) I am personally a fan of (Tiered). Also not sure if upper case or lower case. The discussion. --⇒ Cru121 (Contribs • Message) 11:15, August 11, 2018 (EDT)

Whatever we pick, it should be clear to new players that it means "old, but not removed, content". I don't think "Tiered" says anything for new players. I vote for "Original".--⇒ Justaplayer (Contribs • Message) 12:23, August 11, 2018 (EDT)
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