Talk:Return to Gianthold

Raid flagging

as per Update 17 Release Notes and DDO Forums Shade's lama raid thread], previous heroic flag doesnt matter anymore. Do we all have to re-run 3 flagging quests or just Cabal to get reflagged? my toon wasn't flagged for the raid last night, but was still able to do Gianthold Tor, whats the deal with it?

yoko5000 (Contributions • Message) 00:17, February 21, 2013 (EST)

im still kinda fuzzy on this but there are related info threads available on the board now.

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 yoko5000 (Contributions • Message) 23:14, February 27, 2013 (EST)

oh, and reflagging is no longer required? from when? i thought i'd take a break from the game but well i can try some EE attempts then.

yoko5000 (Contributions • Message) 04:40, February 28, 2013 (EST)

You need to get flagged once post U17. After that, reflagging is not required for each run like it is in the Necro Crypts.

ShoeMaker (Contributions • Message) 06:54, February 28, 2013 (EST)

duh, okay, something on this flagging mechanic was confusing the hell out of me (and my friends) and that was all then. i will flag another character more carefully and put it into the flagging article.

yoko5000 (Contributions • Message) 11:25, February 28, 2013 (EST)

Should "Return to ..." Quest Pages be Created?

Should have said this earlier but i dont think "Return to ..." quest articles should be created as individual quest article. its against our quest page rule (as stated on quest) of creating articles per "adventure" and in-game adventure compendium. i know the compendium is kinda busted but running both heroic and epic PoP still doesnt award 2x favor right? i think these should be considered "Journal entries" and redirected to corresponding heroic quest page. same thing for "Return to ... loot" category. its related to the above flagging question but for what i understand, we run the same quest and now its possible to get different turn-in flag depending on the difficulty quest was run. behind-the-scene tech of "quest rewards now scale by the difficulty of adventure completed" thing (run EC and get level 22ish reward list, run EE and get 24-25 reward thing, post U15-ish?) enabled this kind of mechanic. thats all i guess. thoughts?

yoko5000 (Contributions • Message) 23:14, February 27, 2013 (EST)

Yeah, I debated whether these pages should be created for some time myself.
My thoughts on the matter are, The title of "Return to ..." is not an exclusion as to whether or not we consider it an individual quest as precedence was set at 16:09 on September 3, 2006‎ when Mcglonec (Contribs • Message • Email) created Return to Delera's Tomb (quest) (which you yourself have worked on).

Next thing that I asked myself was, does the fact that the quest uses the same quest location exclude it? I then dismissed this idea as the majority of the Assault on Splinterskull story-arc takes place in the same location.

At this time, as you mentioned, the compendium is bugged out and we can not tell if there is favor to be had from these quests; although, as per Quest this may be irrelevant: "Turbine's terminology is quite vague here but "quests" (that go into your Journal) and "adventures" (that are listed on your "Adventure Compendium") are technically two different things, but here on DDOwiki we call them "quests" altogether, and our quest pages are created actually per "adventure"." and the quests ARE in the quest journal -- "here on DDOwiki we call them "quests" altogether."

In addition to the above points; the "quests" are not granted (or turned in to) the same quest givers as the heroic versions, they are part of a separate "Return to Gianthold" story-arc and are required to flag for The Fall of Truth.

After considering all of that, I decided that they indeed do require their own quest pages, whether or not they end up granting separate favor or show up in the compendium.

ShoeMaker (Contributions • Message) 09:09, February 28, 2013 (EST)

I think that since there is a different NPC contact alone should be enough to warrant a separate page for the quest. The alternate loot / favor / xp bonuses / name change (although slight) would only further warrant a separate page.

Joenuts (Contributions • Message) 09:27, February 28, 2013 (EST)

I wouldn't say that alone, Joe... The entire Assault on Splinterskull story-arc has the same contact for each section and if it was different contact along, then all of that arc would be a single page. I'm still not changing my above position though, the combination of ALL of those things is why I think they should have their own pages and why I created said pages in the first place

ShoeMaker (Contributions • Message) 09:42, February 28, 2013 (EST)

okay you did it after good consideration then thats good for now. "creating quest articles per adventure compendium" was not 100% correct, to be super exact its "creating quest articles according to Adventure name you see when you open up XP report" heh. oh and it started off with Blacksmith's suggestion too. in this case the report still says its plain "A Cabal for One" but i can see both sides' merit and demerit now.

yoko5000 (Contributions • Message) 11:25, February 28, 2013 (EST)

I think I may have been misunderstood. I never meant to imply that quest contact should be the SOLE factor in determining a quests 'uniqueness' ( whether a seperate page is warranted for quest data or not ). Only wanted to point out that a quest may have one ( and only one ) quest giver ( labeled "npc contact" in wiki, labeled "bestowed by" in DDO ). I.E. - A quest giver can give out multiple quests, but a quest can only have one quest giver.

If we stick to that logic, when comparing two quests, if quest giver is different, quests are unique and warrant their own page.

Joenuts (Contributions • Message) 21:04, February 28, 2013 (EST)

You guys ENTIRELY lost the point of this thread somehwere along the line.

Question: do i have to reflag for the ToR update? Answer: yes.

See how simple that was? Not sure where a gig of nonsense belongs here... thinking... it doesn't. Answer the question. That's it. Exercise your writing skill on your own time.