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U24 typo[edit]

In the line at the bottom-

Risia Ice Games and Midwinter Festival - from January 22th

-January 22th should be January 22nd instead. Habreno (ContributionsMessage) 08:14, January 20, 2015 (EST)

New Home Page Look Proposal[edit]

History for this proposal can be seen on Talk:Home/Archive06#Updated New Home Page Look Proposal (yes, I'm finally getting back around to this). To put it simply, one thing that has somewhat annoyed me about the Home page for a very long time is the limitation of only being able to see the three most recent Updates' summaries... I have a proposed solution, that I am ~98% satisfied with and feel now is a good time to propose a possible solution I have devised... My proposal. This solution uses MediaWiki:Common.js, MediaWiki:Common.css, T:News, and Home/What's new along with all of our existing sub-pages to make the nice scrollable box you should see displayed. I've currently set things assuming an 800x600 resolution for those without JavaScript (enabled) as I am guessing that is currently worst case. That can be adapted if other think that larger might be better for the fallback case. ShoeMaker (Contributions Message) 13:52, July 30, 2015 (EDT)

  • Personally I never visit the Home page, but it looks okayish. --Cru121 (ContributionsMessage) 14:44, July 30, 2015 (EDT)
  • It should look mostly the same as it does now except that older updates will be available with a scrollbar in the What's new section. How many updates/years/increment do we want to go back? We really don't need to go all the way back to the beginning of time, but I'm thinking back at least 20 updates worth or about 5 years should be plenty? I can add the date of the pack in the section for each one or something too. Making it date based might be a little less automatic, but I think I can do that too... It does look kind of like crap on the mobile skin ([1]) but just about everything else does too. I just noticed they are all showing up center aligned. I'll fix that before going live. ShoeMaker (Contributions Message) 15:10, July 30, 2015 (EDT)
    • Okay, so I've added three more rows to the testcases page to show a comparison for what it would look like with ALL updates (back to Update 1) in the top row (could also add Modules, but really don't think that is needed or wanted); row two is the 20 most recent updates (about 5 years worth at 4 updates per year); row three is the 12 most recent (about 3 years worth at 4 updates per year) I think this one looks the best; row four is the 8 most recent (about 2 years worth at 4 updates per year). ShoeMaker (Contributions Message) 16:12, July 30, 2015 (EDT)
  • I like the new version; however, there is space to the right of the scrollbox area, and the three update boxes don't match the width of the other boxes lower on the page. Also, the images in the center sitemap box and the new article box are not centered. I don't have an opinion on how far back to go. I will note that html is visible on News due to the changes. — Zav(T·E·C) 18:28, August 1, 2015 (EDT)
    • Can you screenshot those things for me, so I can see exactly what might be causing it? I believe you know how to open your JavaScript console too; so, if you could do that and type navigator.userAgent; and hit enter so I can see exactly which browser you are using to try and replicate it. :) I do see differences with the corner rounding and a few other minor things, and I could actually make a few more changes to add some consistency to those things in the CSS/JS. The whole page needs to be modified and cleaned up for CSS to be honest. All that in-line stuff is horrible. ShoeMaker (Contributions Message) 19:11, August 1, 2015 (EDT)
      • I just emailed you the screenshots and JS console info. — Zav(T·E·C) 14:51, August 2, 2015 (EDT)
        • Okay, so - SS1 was some raw HTML displaying on News currently (which will likely be obsoleted by this change); SS2 was that the example test page had some off center stuff that wasn't on the live home page in a section I wasn't proposing any changes to; SS3 was the JavaScript wasn't setting the widths properly in Chrome. I've made appropriate adjustments to the source and it appears to be working in Chrome on my school computer now. I also added some @media css selectors so that the no-JS fallback is more likely to be usable on more screen resolutions (may trim the list at some point). Please let me know if you find any other bugs. I've also started working on cleaning out the inline css that made the wikicode cluttered and hard to work with. These changes will improve the formatting (like properly having rounded corners and whatnot), but I still have some sheet scripting to go to clean it all up. Thoughts, comments, constructive criticism is welcomed. :) ShoeMaker (Contributions Message) 16:22, August 3, 2015 (EDT)
  • ...is there actually going to be a scrollbar? 'Cause the page I looked at doesn't have one, and... just no. especially since my navigation bar is on the right lol I think having better access to past updates would be good, but perhaps a "Previous updates" link to a page that lists them instead? And not just a link to but one with all the details? (Similar to the News page, but more of a grid - three columns seems a good size, like on the home page - and maybe not have links breaking three updates back, and shows them all. I don't even know if this is possible to automate this lol LrdSlvrhnd (ContributionsMessage) 22:36, August 3, 2015 (EDT)
    • What browser are you using on what device? I don't actually see scrollbars in desktop mode (vector skin) in Firefox on my mobile device, you just have to know it's there and you can actually swipe scroll the section. Every other browser I have tests does have the scrollbar on Talk:Home/ShoeMaker. The whole point is I don't want to navigate to another page to see what the notes summary was for 4 (or 6 or ...) updates ago. I want it all in one place. I can reformat News if there is still a desire for it, and I can make it look pretty much however people who use it want within the existing parameters. ShoeMaker (Contributions Message) 22:43, August 3, 2015 (EDT)
      • Firefox 37 (latest, I think? Or close to...) on my Win8 (ugh) laptop. And I just get alllllll the things stretching across (and off) the screen. LrdSlvrhnd (ContributionsMessage) 02:02, August 4, 2015 (EDT)
        • Ahh... Okay, which page are you looking at (there are only two pages currently where any of it should work)? Which skin are you using (I've tested vector and monobook)? You most likely need to do a DDO:BYPASS to clear cached versions of the page. If that doesn't work, a screenshot would be great. :) ShoeMaker (Contributions Message) 08:52, August 4, 2015 (EDT)
          • I'm looking at [[2]] with Truglass. Refreshing didn't do anything (which I expected as I'd never visited that particular page before) and I can send you a sreenshot tomorrow (Thursdayish)... if I remember *g* Not really a whole lot to look at, just all the updates going across the screen rather than put in a window with a scrollbar... so the whole page gets a scrollbar at the very bottom, and the page is VERY wide. I just opened it in a new private window, and it looks right, and looks good, so it probably has something to do with the skin. But I really, really like having the bar on the right and not the left, so I'm sticking with that *g* I'll just find a new "home" page for the wiki, I pretty much only see it when I first open the site anyway! - LrdSlvrhnd (ContributionsMessage) 02:36, August 6, 2015 (EDT)
            • Yes, Truglass skins are no longer supported... Try it with Vector. I'll probably have to add specific code for the Truglass(2) and Wptouch(2) skins to fix it for them (might even give users a notice to simply change their skin as it is not supported anymore). ShoeMaker (Contributions Message) 02:53, August 6, 2015 (EDT)
              • Yeah, as I said, looks good in a new private window, but I ain't switching from Truglass for one page, I like the menu on the right far too much for that 8-} (And as far as I can tell, that's the only one that has it on the right.) If this goes live, I'll just switch my link to Recent Changes or something instead of the home page *g* - 13:32, August 6, 2015 (EDT)
  • From IRC:
<ShoeMobile> Comments and constructive criticisms about proposed wiki home page changes on http://ddowiki.com/page/Talk:Home/ShoeMaker are welcomed on Talk:Home
<%InfoBot> Title: Talk:Home/ShoeMaker - DDO wiki
<ShoeMobile> http://ddowiki.com/page/Talk:Home
<%InfoBot> Title: Talk:Home - DDO wiki
<+JohnRove> I like the all update one. One of the things I frequently do at wiki is check old release notes for things I forget dates on
<ShoeMobile> Cool JohnRove. Thanks for the feedback. :)
<%Vargouille> I do like being able to see the changes over time like that, next to each other. It's a little weird having the horizontal scroll in the center of the screen, but eh, it's fine. :)
ShoeMaker (Contributions Message) 17:50, August 3, 2015 (EDT)
  • I like the idea of keeping all updates accessible from Home. The format is a bit weird with the scrollbar in the center, but we can live with that. But just for the sake of taking it out of my chest, I'll make a suggestion. I have absolutely no clue if this is possible with wikicode, but what if instead of a horizontal bar, we had arrows on left and right? Think like the in-game enhancement tree arrows. Nibelung (ContributionsMessage) 01:11, August 5, 2015 (EDT)
    • It can be done with an extensive amount of JavaScript, and I had intended to take it in that direction in the future. To me, the first step is getting the content there and the second step is formatting how it looks and is presented. ShoeMaker (Contributions Message) 09:35, August 5, 2015 (EDT)

Request for edit[edit]

Can an administrator please add Template:Home/10th Anniversary in an appropriate (3 column) box above "What's new" (for a month, then move it down the page to below what's new for a couple more months, then finally down to the bottom of the page for the rest of 2016) on the Home page for the 10 anniversary celebration? Thanks! DDOstream (ContribsMessage) 10:10, January 5, 2016 (EST)

"Orphan"[edit]

Pardon me for asking a really dumb question, but does this need to be classified as an orphaned page? Habreno (ContribsMessage) 16:23, February 2, 2016 (EST)

  • It wasn't directly... It was transcluding that in from sub-page templates that the bot had tagged. I've resolved it, thanks for bringing it to my attention. ShoeMaker (ContribsMessage) 16:33, February 2, 2016 (EST)
Should've thought of it in my last comment. The explanation of the "Orphan" and other tags is on DDO:AN/P#Maintenance tags. ShoeMaker (ContribsMessage) 16:35, February 2, 2016 (EST)

Anniversary stuff[edit]

I agree with removing / greatly reducing the Anniversary spam. Let's have a vote perhaps? --Cru121 (ContribsMessage) 12:00, February 6, 2016 (EST)

  • It's not spam, and it's already been moved down the page. It's not something that can really be reduced, but it will move down the page as time goes. I expect I'll move it further down after the DDO anniversary U30 is released, probably the second weekend in March. ShoeMaker (ContribsMessage) 19:46, February 6, 2016 (EST)
    • It does not provide any information about DDO or DDOWIKI. If you want to have an information about ddowiki anniversary on the home page, I can agree with that, but write about how ddowiki came into being 10 years ago, who were the people who started it, perhaps a bit about the history/development, perhaps some technical stuff; perhaps linking the interviews for ddogamer you guys did few years ago. That has relevance and is potentially interesting. Perhaps mention that there was a competition, but the competition is over, no need to advertise it.--Cru121 (ContribsMessage) 00:58, February 7, 2016 (EST)
  • You won your contest, people get it.
Is time for that banner to go,it does not provide any benefical info for the wiki.Sforza (ContribsMessage) 00:08, February 15, 2016 (EST)