Haggle

Skill
Skill Class skill Skill point Skill usefulness
Skills Cross-class skill Skill rank
Passive													Active

Haggle (Charisma)

Description[edit]

If you dream of riches, haggle will be your best friend, allowing you to buy and sell for much better prices.

The basic formulas are:

Selling = Base SELL percentage + (0.25% * Haggle). (With a maximum of 50% after Haggle is applied.)

Base SELL percentage is:

10.00% for most Vendors.
12.50% for Vendors after you have completed a specific Reputation Quest for their area (see table below).
15.00% for all Pawn Brokers (except Vahna Smythe at the Pawn & Gift Shop in the Spa in Ataraxia, which is always 12.50% base).
7.50% for Azdaf the Wary - Yugoloth Alchemist in Amrath and Marraenoloth - Yugoloth Ferryman in The Shroud (making it extra wasteful to sell loot to them: don't sell stuff to Azdaf at all, and if you need to sell to Marraenoloth you can buy it back for the same price after you get outside of The Shroud and re-sell it to Pawn Brokers or normal Vendors).

Buying = [1 - (0.005 * Haggle)] * Markup percentage. (Markup percentage varies depending on Vendor/level of Broker, with a minimum of 50% after Haggle is applied.)

This formula can be rewritten as:

Buying = Markup percentage - (Markup percentage * 0.005 * Haggle) = Base BUY percentage - (Per Haggle Modifier * Haggle)

So, the lower the Markup (AKA Base BUY percentage), the lower the Per Haggle Modifier too (so you get a better rate over-all, but slightly less per additional Haggle skill level).

BUY Markup is:

120% for Vendors before the associated Reputation Quest has been completed (if available).
- 120% Base BUY percentage, -0.60% per Haggle
117.5% for Vendors after the associated Reputation Quest has been completed.
- 117.5% Base BUY percentage, -0.5875% per Haggle
110% for non-Guild Hireling Vendors (making Hireling Contracts slightly cheaper than their base price alone would normally imply, and even cheaper when purchased from the Guild Hireling Vendors).
- 110% Base BUY percentage, -0.55% per Haggle
100% for all the Guild Vendors in House Kundarak and also the Airship Vendor accessible via any Hook Point on a Guild Airship. So, items purchased from these stores are unusually cheap.
- 100% Base BUY percentage, -0.50% per Haggle
125% for ML:2/0 Brokers
- 125% Base BUY percentage, -0.625% per Haggle
127.5% for ML:4/5 Brokers
- 127.5% Base BUY percentage, -0.6375% per Haggle
130% for ML:6/7 Brokers
- 130% Base BUY percentage, -0.65% per Haggle
135% for ML:8/9+ Brokers
- 135% Base BUY percentage, -0.675% per Haggle
240% for Azdaf the Wary - Yugoloth Alchemist in Amrath and Marraenoloth - Yugoloth Ferryman in The Shroud (making it extra expensive to buy Yugoloth Favor Potions and Shroud supplies, respectively).
- 240% Base BUY percentage, -1.20% per Haggle
400% for Haddad the summoned Efreeti Forgemaster (from the Repair Anvil DDO Store item). Luckily there isn't much to even want to buy from him.
- 400% Base BUY percentage, -2.00% per Haggle

Haggle is a Class Skill for Alchemist, Artificer, Bard, Rogue

See forum post for a good Haggle Bard build.

Progression table[edit]

Vendors and Tavernkeeps buy and sell at rates based on completion of a specific Reputation Quest. Talk to the City Ward greeter or contact for specific information on Reputation quest (or see full list below). Brokers have varying rates based on minimum level of items in which they deal (e.g., ML:2/0 Broker refers to min level 2 weapons/armor brokers and min level 0 clothing/jewelry brokers).

Update 7 stealth-nerfed the Guild General Vendor in House Kundarak again, he now only pays 10.0% base. Do not sell to him. Dev Tolero implied this was an error that will be corrected in the future (DDO Forums).

Here is how Haggle impacts the buying and selling price of items, at the different vendors.

Sell and Buy Values
	SELL %ItemBaseValue			BUY %ItemBaseValue
Haggle Skill	Vendor	w/ Rep Quest	All Brokers	Vendor	w/ Rep Quest	ML:2/0 Broker	ML:4/5 Broker	ML:6/7 Broker	ML:8/9+ Broker
Base (0 Haggle)	10.00%	12.50%	15.00%	120.00%	117.50%	125.00%	127.50%	130.00%	135.00%
Per Haggle	+0.25%	+0.25%	+0.25%	-0.60%	-0.5875%	-0.625%	-0.6375%	-0.65%	-0.675%
4	11.00%	13.50%	16.00%	117.60%	115.15%	122.50%	124.95%	127.40%	132.30%
8	12.00%	14.50%	17.00%	115.20%	112.80%	120.00%	122.40%	124.80%	129.60%
12	13.00%	15.50%	18.00%	112.80%	110.45%	117.50%	119.85%	122.20%	126.90%
16	14.00%	16.50%	19.00%	110.40%	108.10%	115.00%	117.30%	119.60%	124.20%
20	15.00%	17.50%	20.00%	108.00%	105.75%	112.50%	114.75%	117.00%	121.50%
24	16.00%	18.50%	21.00%	105.60%	103.40%	110.00%	112.20%	114.40%	118.80%
28	17.00%	19.50%	22.00%	103.20%	101.45%	107.50%	109.65%	111.80%	116.10%
32	18.00%	20.50%	23.00%	100.80%	98.70%	105.00%	107.10%	109.20%	113.40%
36	19.00%	21.50%	24.00%	98.40%	96.35%	102.50%	104.55%	106.60%	110.70%
40	20.00%	22.50%	25.00%	96.00%	94.00%	100.00%	102.00%	104.00%	108.00%
44	21.00%	23.50%	26.00%	93.60%	91.65%	97.50%	99.45%	101.40%	105.30%
48	22.00%	24.50%	27.00%	91.20%	89.30%	95.00%	96.90%	98.80%	102.60%
52	23.00%	25.50%	28.00%	88.80%	86.95%	92.50%	94.35%	96.20%	99.90%
56	24.00%	26.50%	29.00%	86.40%	84.60%	90.00%	91.80%	93.60%	97.20%
60	25.00%	27.50%	30.00%	84.00%	82.25%	87.50%	89.25%	91.00%	94.50%
64	26.00%	28.50%	31.00%	81.60%	79.90%	85.00%	86.70%	88.40%	91.80%
68	27.00%	29.50%	32.00%	79.20%	77.55%	82.50%	84.15%	85.80%	89.10%
72	28.00%	30.50%	33.00%	76.80%	75.20%	80.00%	81.60%	83.20%	86.40%
76	29.00%	31.50%	34.00%	74.40%	72.85%	77.50%	79.05%	80.60%	83.70%
80	30.00%	32.50%	35.00%	72.00%	70.50%	75.00%	76.50%	78.00%	81.00%
84	31.00%	33.50%	36.00%	69.60%	68.15%	72.50%	73.95%	75.40%	78.30%
88	32.00%	34.50%	37.00%	67.20%	65.80%	70.00%	71.40%	72.80%	75.60%
92	33.00%	35.50%	38.00%	64.80%	63.45%	67.50%	68.85%	70.20%	72.90%
96	34.00%	36.50%	39.00%	62.40%	61.10%	65.00%	66.30%	67.60%	70.20%
100	35.00%	37.50%	40.00%	60.00%	58.75%	62.50%	63.75%	65.00%	67.50%
104	36.00%	38.50%	41.00%	57.60%	56.40%	60.00%	61.20%	62.40%	64.80%
108	37.00%	39.50%	42.00%	55.20%	54.05%	57.50%	58.65%	59.80%	62.10%
112	38.00%	40.50%	43.00%	52.80%	51.70%	55.00%	56.10%	57.20%	59.40%
116	39.00%	41.50%	44.00%	50.40%	50.00%*	52.50%	53.55%	54.60%	56.70%
120	40.00%	42.50%	45.00%	50.00%*	50.00%*	50.00%	51.00%	52.00%	54.00%

Per Update 14 Release Notes, "Vendor buy/sell prices are now limited to 50% of the item's base price."^{[Unverified"Per Update 14 Release Notes, "Vendor buy/sell prices are now limited to 50% of the item's base price."" has not been verified in-game. Please verify it!]}

Example: A player character with 0 Haggle skill wishes to buy a ML:2 weapon from the Broker. The base value of the weapon is 8,000gp. The ML:2 Broker markup is +25%. So the player can BUY for 125% ItemBaseValue, for 10,000gp. The same player uses another character with 40 Haggle and can BUY the item for 100% base value, for 8,000gp.

Reputation Quests[edit]

Vendor Location(s)	Quest/Chain for Discount
Harbor	The Lost Seekers (Waterworks)
Marketplace	The Seal of Shan-To-Kor (STK)
House Phiarlan, The One-Eared Bugbear Inn, & Delver's Canteen	Assault on Splinterskull (Tangleroot)
House Deneith & Salty Wench Tavern	Scoundrel's Run (Three-Barrel Cove)
House Jorasco	Delera's Tomb & Return to Delera's Tomb (Delera's)
House Kundarak¹ & Eye of Kol Korran	Cult of the Six (Sorrowdusk Isle: Grey Moon & Co6)
House Cannith	Unknown
The Portable Hole	Able to Teleport, always Rep Quest base
The Necropolis (One Foot Inn)	None, always Vendor base
The Foothold	None, always Vendor base
Zawabi's Refuge	None, always Vendor base
Gianthold (Morksarn's Mess)	None, always Vendor base
The Twelve & Adept's Rest	Eyes of Stone
Meridia & The Windswept Oasis	None, always Vendor base
Ataraxia's Haven & The Resort Spa	None, but note that the Pawnshop buys at Vendor w/ Rep Quest rate, not full Broker rate.
Amrath & The Refectory	Unknown
Reaver's Refuge	None, always Vendor base
The Inspired Quarter	Unknown

¹ Does not include the Guild Vendor or the vendors in the Crafting Hall, who use Vendor base

Best Sources of Haggle as of U36[edit]

Charisma[edit]

+18 Base

+7 Level Up

+7 Tome

+2 Completionist

+2 Racial Completionist

+2 Harper Training Core Enhancement

+1 Half-Elf or Human Human Adaptability Enhancement

+1 Half-Elf Dilettante Enhancement: Bard, Cleric, Favored Soul, Paladin, or Sorcerer

+3 Half-Elf or Human Action Surge Enhancement

+13* Enhancement (lvl 34 Random Gen, +2 Gem of Fortune and DDO Treasure Event)

+7 Fate Singer Epic Destiny

+6* Insight (Cannith Crafting)

+1 Insightful Augment Diamond of Insightful Charisma +1

+2 Artifact (+2 Airship Charisma Shrine)

+3 Alchemical (Potion of Influence +3)

+2 Competence (Inspire Excellence)

+2 Untyped (Essence of Seduction)

+2 Untyped (Lasting Eagle's Majesty Potion)

+4 Profane (Abishai Destroyer)

+5 Twists of Fate (Although, twists of fate would be better used for +Haggle or +Charisma Skills)

Total = 94 (+42 modifier)

* Higher versions may be possible by using a Jewel of Fortune +2 Treasure Level, during a Bonus Days event that increases treasure level. A level 34 item provides 15 Enhancement and 7 Insight.

Items[edit]

+20 Competence (Cannith Crafting)

+10* Insight (Cannith Crafting)

+6 Exceptional (Green Steel Charisma skill item)

+3 Luck (Good Luck +3)

* Higher versions may be possible by using a Jewel of Fortune +2 Treasure Level, during a Bonus Days event that increases treasure level. A level 34 item provides 22 Competence and 11 Insight. The item's minimum level requirement will remain at 30.